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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Sept 13, 2021 8:01:36 GMT
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Post by holysmokes66 on Sept 13, 2021 8:17:52 GMT
Great piece as always. Thanks for sharing the tweets from Oliver / Luque / Hoyte / Booty, etc - I hadn't seen those, and between reading your article and those tweets it's made me slightly less depressed.
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Post by nws on Sept 13, 2021 11:46:18 GMT
You have to pick carefully amongst things. People can arrive at conclusions through being misled, ie the idea of the knee taking (for racism protest) being one of subjugation, which has come from the cabinet office of our government. The idea that there might have been nothing racist uttered or there might be miscommunication is a possibility. It would have helped the cause if the keeper had complained to the referee at the point it occurred. A quick word to the touchline might have seen stewards/police employed to root out perpetrators. The most depressing thing I have seen on here is the ridiculous idea that anti-racism protestors have caused more racial disharmony than the NF and BNP.
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Post by Andy on Sept 13, 2021 12:22:44 GMT
Always a good read but not as up-lifting as usual. The only upside to the racial slur allegation is that the number involved must have very very low. Cant trace anybody who heard anything other than the usual non racist mickey taking. I see Oliver Ash who was in the Genco Stand for a while didnt hear either. Agree that the silliest statement I have read on this forum (amongst plenty of competition) is about players needing to grow thicker skins. Think again !
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Post by sword65 on Sept 13, 2021 12:55:18 GMT
Always a good read but not as up-lifting as usual. The only upside to the racial slur allegation is that the number involved must have very very low. Cant trace anybody who heard anything other than the usual non racist mickey taking. I see Oliver Ash who was in the Genco Stand for a while didnt hear either. Agree that the silliest statement I have read on this forum (amongst plenty of competition) is about players needing to grow thicker skins. Think again ! I am a true legend in the art of silliness but when people call me silly when I am being serious troubles me.Black people are,well almost,black and take offence at being called exactly what they are. I am silly ,I know it ,I am silly but should I take offence at you calling me exactly what I am. What is the difference? Now I can be offended by your remark or I can let it bounce off of my thick skin which is exactly what I chose to do because basically I cannot,and would not want to stop you airing your views. Now if I can put up with the abuse I have had since I left school then why cannot others be they White,black,red or red indian(name that song). PS. It is now coming to the time if year that I will be called Father Christmas by every pisshead in every pub, should I take offence and call for xmas to be banned or do i laugh in there faces and reply with comments like 'shut it you four eyed slaphead'or'shut up mate ,your mouth looks like a c**t no wonder you talk like one'. Far easier to be thick skinned.
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Post by daveu on Sept 13, 2021 13:08:09 GMT
Just to pick up on one point. Is calling a black guy with dreads, Bob Marley any different to calling a white guy with long hair, Rick Parfitt or Ozzy Osbourne, or any of the other long haired white men I've been called over the years.
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Post by sword65 on Sept 13, 2021 14:01:21 GMT
Just to pick up on one point. Is calling a black guy with dreads, Bob Marley any different to calling a white guy with long hair, Rick Parfitt or Ozzy Osbourne, or any of the other long haired white men I've been called over the years. Exactly!
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Sept 13, 2021 14:15:15 GMT
Just to pick up on one point. Is calling a black guy with dreads, Bob Marley any different to calling a white guy with long hair, Rick Parfitt or Ozzy Osbourne, or any of the other long haired white men I've been called over the years. Depends if the police ever arrested you because you look a bit like Rick Parfitt I suppose.
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Post by nws on Sept 13, 2021 14:35:43 GMT
Just to pick up on one point. Is calling a black guy with dreads, Bob Marley any different to calling a white guy with long hair, Rick Parfitt or Ozzy Osbourne, or any of the other long haired white men I've been called over the years. Just to be clear... Is your point that you've been called things so it is only right that other people should be called things?
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Post by nws on Sept 13, 2021 14:37:07 GMT
Always a good read but not as up-lifting as usual. The only upside to the racial slur allegation is that the number involved must have very very low. Cant trace anybody who heard anything other than the usual non racist mickey taking. I see Oliver Ash who was in the Genco Stand for a while didnt hear either. Agree that the silliest statement I have read on this forum (amongst plenty of competition) is about players needing to grow thicker skins. Think again ! I am a true legend in the art of silliness but when people call me silly when I am being serious troubles me.Black people are,well almost,black and take offence at being called exactly what they are. I am silly ,I know it ,I am silly but should I take offence at you calling me exactly what I am. What is the difference? Now I can be offended by your remark or I can let it bounce off of my thick skin which is exactly what I chose to do because basically I cannot,and would not want to stop you airing your views. Now if I can put up with the abuse I have had since I left school then why cannot others be they White,black,red or red indian(name that song). PS. It is now coming to the time if year that I will be called Father Christmas by every pisshead in every pub, should I take offence and call for xmas to be banned or do i laugh in there faces and reply with comments like 'shut it you four eyed slaphead'or'shut up mate ,your mouth looks like a c**t no wonder you talk like one'. Far easier to be thick skinned. Were you called Father Christmas because of your skin colour?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 14:45:02 GMT
Just to pick up on one point. Is calling a black guy with dreads, Bob Marley any different to calling a white guy with long hair, Rick Parfitt or Ozzy Osbourne, or any of the other long haired white men I've been called over the years. Depends if the police ever arrested you because you look a bit like Rick Parfitt I suppose. Where's that forum member who tells tedious sanctimonious posters to f**k off, when you need them?
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Post by pwoodstone on Sept 13, 2021 14:45:44 GMT
Just to pick up on one point. Is calling a black guy with dreads, Bob Marley any different to calling a white guy with long hair, Rick Parfitt or Ozzy Osbourne, or any of the other long haired white men I've been called over the years. Just to be clear... Is your point that you've been called things so it is only right that other people should be called things? [br Come on NWS, you know what his point is.
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Post by nws on Sept 13, 2021 14:54:49 GMT
Just to be clear... Is your point that you've been called things so it is only right that other people should be called things? [br Come on NWS, you know what his point is. What is it?
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Post by jdl on Sept 13, 2021 15:21:28 GMT
Always a good read but not as up-lifting as usual. The only upside to the racial slur allegation is that the number involved must have very very low. Cant trace anybody who heard anything other than the usual non racist mickey taking. I see Oliver Ash who was in the Genco Stand for a while didnt hear either. Agree that the silliest statement I have read on this forum (amongst plenty of competition) is about players needing to grow thicker skins. Think again ! I am a true legend in the art of silliness but when people call me silly when I am being serious troubles me.Black people are,well almost,black and take offence at being called exactly what they are. I am silly ,I know it ,I am silly but should I take offence at you calling me exactly what I am. What is the difference? Now I can be offended by your remark or I can let it bounce off of my thick skin which is exactly what I chose to do because basically I cannot,and would not want to stop you airing your views. Now if I can put up with the abuse I have had since I left school then why cannot others be they White,black,red or red indian(name that song). PS. It is now coming to the time if year that I will be called Father Christmas by every pisshead in every pub, should I take offence and call for xmas to be banned or do i laugh in there faces and reply with comments like 'shut it you four eyed slaphead'or'shut up mate ,your mouth looks like a c**t no wonder you talk like one'. Far easier to be thick skinned. You can't seriously equate being called 'Father Christmas' with institutionalised racism.
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Post by daveu on Sept 13, 2021 16:37:00 GMT
Just to pick up on one point. Is calling a black guy with dreads, Bob Marley any different to calling a white guy with long hair, Rick Parfitt or Ozzy Osbourne, or any of the other long haired white men I've been called over the years. Just to be clear... Is your point that you've been called things so it is only right that other people should be called things? No, my point is that if someone genuinely resembles a famous person then surely it isn't racist to say so. For example, the Specsavers poster in Sainsbury's at Aylesford is of two people who bear a passing resemblance to Romesh Ranganathan and Claudia Winkleman. By the logic you seem to be espousing, it's OK for me to say that one of them looks like Claudia Winkleman but if I also point out that the other looks like Romesh then I'm being racist. For most of my life I have been compared to a guy who was a notorious drunk, smackhead womaniser. I don't take offence because I know that in my slimmer days I bore a passing resemblance to him, and anyway I believed it was meant in jest, or possibly even as a compliment. The pointing out of a likeness to a famous person isn't, of itself, a racist act. It's only the intent that makes it so.
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