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Post by steveh21 on Nov 4, 2020 9:49:09 GMT
Fair points but the original idea of using U23s seems to have gone out of the window I guess the worry is that this is as good as it gets and we could be losing some of our best players over the next few months. There's a happy thought, I'm surprised swordy didn't think of it first ! I always hear this and noone wants to win the title more than me but then we get people on here saying it would be a disaster financially if we got promoted to the National. You cannot have it both ways. Perhaps this season we should do what Tonbridge do each year, pay for a good enough team to ensure we are safe from relegation and then offload the expensive talent. I think Chester followed this strategy in the National a few years ago when they knew they could not go up or go down. Personally I think if we do get promoted and fans are allowed back in next season we will do pretty well.
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Post by headstone on Nov 4, 2020 10:37:40 GMT
On the plus side, our subs bench has been pretty impressive all season!
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Post by sword65 on Nov 4, 2020 11:22:45 GMT
Fair points but the original idea of using U23s seems to have gone out of the window I guess the worry is that this is as good as it gets and we could be losing some of our best players over the next few months. There's a happy thought, I'm surprised swordy didn't think of it first ! Swordy did think of it first but alas I was told I was just a miserable bugger. Unless the owners can stomach a huge loss this season then it is inevitable that changes will have to be made but not necessarily for the better. A lot will depend on any appeal against the allocation of bail out funds but my view is that the weight of 56 satisfied clubs will scupper any hopes of the 11 shafted clubs.
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Post by daveu on Nov 4, 2020 12:40:07 GMT
I can't really see a reason for all this pessimism, apart from some pretty large assumptions with no evidence to back them up. There's a great setup here and a club that currently stands a good chance of making the playoffs at the very least. Unless players are desperate for the money, I would think at least some of them would stay with an eye on the future.
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Post by Rob on Nov 4, 2020 13:05:44 GMT
The reason for pessimism dave was there for everybody to hear on the live chat. Seems that some of our players are not contracted and as soon as another club can offer them something better, they will be off. Such a shame but you really need to be wearing those black and amber specs to believe we will keep this team together.
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Post by steveh21 on Nov 4, 2020 13:20:03 GMT
Agree Rob.. not sure where some of our fans think all this money for a star-studded NLS side is coming from. I don't want the owners to get the club into lots of debt...we all know how that ends if you are not careful.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 4, 2020 17:22:02 GMT
As long as we can keep them long enough to get 30 or 40 pts on the board to take relegation out of the equation ,then if they bugger off after xmas it wont be a complete disaster. I would though truly love to see this squad complete the season as I do think they have a good chance of promotion and possibly even automatic promotion though it's still far too early to tell.
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Post by jdl on Nov 4, 2020 17:26:21 GMT
Rather unusually, I share Dave's optimism. These are very unusual times, for many players, just playing regularly is the key to this season. Add to that the buzz of being involved in a squad/team that's playing as well as ours - who wants to leave that, even if someone is offering you a better income? No one knows what's going to happen this season, so why wouldn't you want to stay in a good side, where you're playing well and regularly winning (and setting yourself up very well for next season), instead of taking a chance and earning a few more quid in a squad that's not working well and where you're not enjoying your football?
As I said, this is not a normal season, the usual 'rules' don't apply.
If I were T&O, I would take advantage of the unusual circumstances and the excellent squad that Hak's been able to put together, which looks like it could give us a crack at promotion, and go for it. It might be years before we get a chance like this again. OK, so we got badly burnt last time in the NL, but this time we know what's in store and we'll be much better prepared for it. We won't need any capital expenditure to meet NL standards, we won't have all the silly 'next stop EFL' stuff we had last time, we have a seasoned and experienced manager, an excellent club structure, and, once this bloody virus is over, a solid business model and the prospect of regular 2,000+ gates.
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Post by daveu on Nov 4, 2020 18:54:14 GMT
Agree Rob.. not sure where some of our fans think all this money for a star-studded NLS side is coming from. I don't want the owners to get the club into lots of debt...we all know how that ends if you are not careful. Who said anything about loads of money. My point was that at least some of these players will stay because, regardless of the money, they sense the possibility of promotion and the chance to play in the National League next season.
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Post by jackster on Nov 5, 2020 8:23:08 GMT
Fair enough dave, you are expressing a supporters viewpoint, which is full of optimism and maybe a big dose of wishful thinking. Shame about reality which isn't so romantic. The reality for a lot of players is a mortgage or rent to be paid every month, along with household bills, motor expenses, let alone the costs of raising a couple of kids. They dont kick around footballs at weekends for fun. This is their living. This is the income they depend upon. Being paid on a match by match basis is no way to provide security for your family. The harsh reality is that as soon as our non contracted players get offered a decent contract wherever it may be, they will be on the move.
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Post by daveu on Nov 5, 2020 8:42:56 GMT
Pure speculation. No way you can know that for certain. Even being full time most of these players have other jobs so probably aren't entirely dependent on football. Some will probably go but certainly not all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 11:33:09 GMT
I’d be interested to know why some supporters think other clubs have lots of cash to tempt our players with better offers. Clearly a select few do have wealthy owners but not many. Most players will stay with us simply because there are unlikely to be many clubs in the lower divisions who can afford them due to the pandemic. One or two might move on but I cannot see a mass exodus.
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Post by Nick on Nov 5, 2020 16:21:31 GMT
Pure speculation. No way you can know that for certain.
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Post by jdl on Nov 5, 2020 17:06:14 GMT
Pure speculation. No way you can know that for certain. That's this board in a nutshell.
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Post by headstone on Nov 6, 2020 16:45:32 GMT
However, on the back of a virtual fag packet (ie employing all the data and graphs used by the Government at the moment)*, I calculate that our income from attendances per home match equates roughly to £20,000 (taking season ticket payments into account, and discounting for concessions and juniors), so £36,000 doesn't even cover two lost home matches.
* Attendance say a conservative (small c) 1,600 x average £12.50 = £20,000. (OK, I didn't actually take season ticket payments into account, and discount for concessions and juniors, because I would have had to adjust my graph after publishing it on the forum).
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