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Post by headstone on Jul 26, 2019 8:36:02 GMT
Right so perhaps you can enlighten us all with a full and complete summary of what benefits Brexit will bring to the UK ? I’m struggling to find one at all. And while you’re at it, how you think Brexit can not possibly damage or weaken us as a nation, economically and structurally? Economically - we'll have to wait and see, but after a difficult period, I'd expect us to get used to the new situation, keep calm and carry on; what I don't understand is why the FTSE 100 is booming. However, I suspect we won't recover our fishing rights which was the one decisive issue for many people. Structurally - we will regain our sovereignty, and stop the European Court overturning our sensible High Court decisions. Also we will not be contributing to the corruption (ie pointless junkets and the like, the gravy train if you will) that appears to be rife within the European Community offices. And because we voted to stay in a Common Market in 1975, not a political union or federation which wasn't mentioned on the ballot paper. I'm hot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 9:52:05 GMT
Looking at your avatar, you're horizontal, too...
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Post by malibustacey on Jul 26, 2019 10:27:12 GMT
FTSE 100 is booming because it’s mostly foreign currency denominated. They are winning because our currency is weak and we are paying more for everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 11:08:04 GMT
Right so perhaps you can enlighten us all with a full and complete summary of what benefits Brexit will bring to the UK ? I’m struggling to find one at all. And while you’re at it, how you think Brexit can not possibly damage or weaken us as a nation, economically and structurally? Economically - we'll have to wait and see, but after a difficult period, I'd expect us to get used to the new situation, keep calm and carry on; what I don't understand is why the FTSE 100 is booming. However, I suspect we won't recover our fishing rights which was the one decisive issue for many people. Structurally - we will regain our sovereignty, and stop the European Court overturning our sensible High Court decisions. Also we will not be contributing to the corruption (ie pointless junkets and the like, the gravy train if you will) that appears to be rife within the European Community offices. And because we voted to stay in a Common Market in 1975, not a political union or federation which wasn't mentioned on the ballot paper. I'm hot. Desperate to find short term areas to make profits. The FTSE is still well down on 2018 highs and currently looks a bit toppy. All currencies are weak except the Yen and US dollar. At the moment the latter is perceived as a safe haven in uncertain times. More recently Gold and Silver, which is soooo cheap at the mo, are only starting to be looked at as safe havens - and central banks have been building up quite large stocks of Gold. Generally the 10 year plus US bull market, which has been supported by quantitative easing (they've dug themselves into a very large hole), is viewed as being very long in the tooth, this viewpoint is supported by the transportation and Russell 2000 indices, the former being an indicator of when the bears are gnashing their teeth. Both indices look like they are about to roll over. It looks very dodgy at the moment, and the odds on an imminent (global) bear market are quite short, and possibly a resulting serious crash is due to start within the next 5 weeks or so. If you see the markets, especially the DOW, have a very strong rally over a couple of days, it is probably going to be a wash-out rally, and the markets will start to deteriorate from there. Should this happen, I just wonder how the Government will perceive and deal with Brexit within a deteriorating global market.
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Post by davec on Jul 26, 2019 11:58:14 GMT
Which is precisely why the general populace (me included) should not be allowed to make Vital Economic decisions based on some nonsense version of an England long since expired.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 26, 2019 14:41:39 GMT
Which is precisely why the general populace (me included) should not be allowed to make Vital Economic decisions based on some nonsense version of an England long since expired. Oh dear. Bang goes democracy. So we forget about referendums and General Elections and leave it all to our peers and betters. Mmmm ....really?
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 26, 2019 14:44:03 GMT
Right so perhaps you can enlighten us all with a full and complete summary of what benefits Brexit will bring to the UK ? I’m struggling to find one at all. And while you’re at it, how you think Brexit can not possibly damage or weaken us as a nation, economically and structurally? Economically - we'll have to wait and see, but after a difficult period, I'd expect us to get used to the new situation, keep calm and carry on; what I don't understand is why the FTSE 100 is booming. However, I suspect we won't recover our fishing rights which was the one decisive issue for many people. Structurally - we will regain our sovereignty, and stop the European Court overturning our sensible High Court decisions. Also we will not be contributing to the corruption (ie pointless junkets and the like, the gravy train if you will) that appears to be rife within the European Community offices. And because we voted to stay in a Common Market in 1975, not a political union or federation which wasn't mentioned on the ballot paper. I'm hot. Great post Headstone, agree 100% - especially the last line (The 1975 point!) but already you are being accused of being inebriated, and are opening yourself up for all sorts of attack!
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Post by nws on Jul 26, 2019 22:53:20 GMT
Which is precisely why the general populace (me included) should not be allowed to make Vital Economic decisions based on some nonsense version of an England long since expired. Oh dear. Bang goes democracy. So we forget about referendums and General Elections and leave it all to our peers and betters. Mmmm ....really? OH dear, indeed. We have what is called Parliamentary democracy in this country (i.e. we elect people to Parliament and charge them with making our decisions). If you listened to and read the stuff coming from prominent leavers you would have seen them banging on about the importance of returning decision making to our Parliament. They banged on incessantly about right up until the point Parliament made a decision they didn't like then Parliamentarians became 'saboteurs' and they started banging on about the will of the people. If that is what you want, fine, but you will need a referendum for every single decisions and I might, tactfully, suggest this may prove to be unwieldy and cumbersome, resulting, very quickly, in low interest, apathy and decisions made by a few select people and probably not very representative. The fact that you complain about someone wanting to leave decisions to people with greater knowledge and then make the sarcastic point about forgetting about general elections says it all really...
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Post by nws on Jul 26, 2019 23:20:42 GMT
Economically - we'll have to wait and see, but after a difficult period, I'd expect us to get used to the new situation, keep calm and carry on; what I don't understand is why the FTSE 100 is booming. However, I suspect we won't recover our fishing rights which was the one decisive issue for many people. Structurally - we will regain our sovereignty, and stop the European Court overturning our sensible High Court decisions. Also we will not be contributing to the corruption (ie pointless junkets and the like, the gravy train if you will) that appears to be rife within the European Community offices. And because we voted to stay in a Common Market in 1975, not a political union or federation which wasn't mentioned on the ballot paper. I'm hot. Great post Headstone, agree 100% - especially the last line (The 1975 point!) but already you are being accused of being inebriated, and are opening yourself up for all sorts of attack! You would agree 100% because it is what you want to hear. Economically, I agree that nobody can possibly predict what will happen although there are the estimates of it taking between 50 and 100 years to recover to where we are now and manufacturing getting run down like coal and steel in the 1970s and 1980s. There is no need to regain sovereignty because it was never lost. We always retained power to revoke any law including the one which took us into the EU. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-white-paper-uk-parliament-remian-sovereign-eu-membership-referendum-campaign-brussels-article-a7559556.html Unlike Headstone, I have merely remembered the facts on this bit. On the ongoing debate about further political union and federalism. I can't believe I am going to put this one up again on the Internet but here is what was agreed with Mr Cameron in 2015. “It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom” fullfact.org/europe/explaining-eu-deal-ever-closer-union/It was not on the ballot paper in 1975 but the literature and speeches talked about it. medium.com/@ukipnfkn/uk-voters-knew-the-1975-referendum-was-about-both-an-economic-political-union-with-the-rest-of-2f565b972cd6Now, please show me where the literature or indeed, ballot paper, spoke about a no deal exit from the EU, in 2016. Mr Farage did lie on Question time a few weeks back and say that he was on about no deal every day and not about Norway. Judge for yourself www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCwcTu9U6UI'm not too sure about pointless junkets and gravy trains and, like any behemoth of an institution, it probably exists. I would ask you to consider the people now in Government here and ask if we will be any better off. Alex Johnson - Serial liar - still touting GATT24 even though it is ha been proven to be factually incorrect. Prepared to support lies on the side of a bus. Sacked from a newspaper for making up quotes from his own godfather. Priti Patel - sacked for using backdoor channels to chat to a foreign power and then denied it to the PM. Firm supporter of the death penalty and isn't bothered by miscarriages of justice killing innocent people. Gavin WIlliamson - Sacked from the cabinet in April (?) for leaking state secrets Amber Rudd - Had to resign after the Windrush scandal broke and she denied having immigration targets (despite sending a letter saying she was going to increase them 10%) We will also see Dominic Cummings as an adviser - not afraid to put lies on a bus, weaponise racism and also thinks it is perfectly OK to tell people to come off government emails to discuss departmental business and use his personal email address so things cannot be tracked.
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Post by nws on Jul 26, 2019 23:54:12 GMT
Looking at Johnson's cabinet, I think Brexit is the least of our problems. This is effectively a right-wing coup. His team are nearly all veteran small government, low tax extremists. Their priorities aren't the welfare of the people, all they care about us creating an environment where businesses can make maximum profits with the least regulations. Brexit to them isn't a political issue, it's just the chance for them to make more money. f**k the rest of us. The media have spent the last hundred years warning us of potential left-wing coups, but, as always, it is the extreme right we really have to fear. If we lose the protection of the EU, with this bunch of disfunctionals in charge, we are royally screwed. Spot on
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 6:33:46 GMT
Enoying being around our European friends in lovely safe non knife ridden multi cultural and multi ethnic Vienna. Where people largely don't spout paranoid xenophobic nonsense.
The obvious response from some will no doubt be why don't you stay there then?
The answer is I can't, myself and like minded people are determined to save our country from the likes of you before you do irrevocable damage to our nation and its reputation
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Post by sword65 on Jul 27, 2019 12:28:44 GMT
Enoying being around our European friends in lovely safe non knife ridden multi cultural and multi ethnic Vienna. Where people largely don't spout paranoid xenophobic nonsense. The obvious response from some will no doubt be why don't you stay there then? The answer is I can't, myself and like minded people are determined to save our country from the likes of you before you do irrevocable damage to our nation and its reputation Wasn't Hitler Austrian?
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Post by johnpearce on Jul 27, 2019 12:57:43 GMT
Economically - we'll have to wait and see, but after a difficult period, I'd expect us to get used to the new situation, keep calm and carry on; what I don't understand is why the FTSE 100 is booming. However, I suspect we won't recover our fishing rights which was the one decisive issue for many people. Structurally - we will regain our sovereignty, and stop the European Court overturning our sensible High Court decisions. Also we will not be contributing to the corruption (ie pointless junkets and the like, the gravy train if you will) that appears to be rife within the European Community offices. And because we voted to stay in a Common Market in 1975, not a political union or federation which wasn't mentioned on the ballot paper. I'm hot. Great post Headstone, agree 100% - especially the last line (The 1975 point!) but already you are being accused of being inebriated, and are opening yourself up for all sorts of attack! So who has accused him of being inebriated Oldboy ?? You make it up as you go along don’t you ?!!
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Post by Nick on Jul 27, 2019 13:40:45 GMT
Enoying being around our European friends in lovely safe non knife ridden multi cultural and multi ethnic Vienna. Where people largely don't spout paranoid xenophobic nonsense. The obvious response from some will no doubt be why don't you stay there then? The answer is I can't, myself and like minded people are determined to save our country from the likes of you before you do irrevocable damage to our nation and its reputation Wasn't Hitler Austrian? and your point is ? Trevor Hardy, John Childs, Ian Brady, Rose West, Peter Sutcliff and the list goes on and on and on. The fact of their nationality is not relevant. Please sword don't get started on xenophobic rubbish.
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Post by sword65 on Jul 27, 2019 14:01:35 GMT
and your point is ? Trevor Hardy, John Childs, Ian Brady, Rose West, Peter Sutcliff and the list goes on and on and on. The fact of their nationality is not relevant. Please sword don't get started on xenophobic rubbish. Not all Austrians are perfect that's all. And yes I know it was a long time ago.
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