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Post by nws on Jul 17, 2019 23:13:32 GMT
There we go... Chat breeze...get proven wrong by facts and then claim it wasn't serious I haven't conceded at all to being "proven wrong" NWS! My view are just different to your views. The people, parties and politics I follow are different to what you follow. The beliefs I have and the facts I have to support them are different to the beliefs you have and the facts you use to support them. You wont change the whatever I say and vice versa. I actually started to think maybe, due to your wide reading, that you had an insight or truth that I was missing until you said you were in the Green Party and thought highly of Caroline Lucas and thought the world could be run by Justin Trudeau! Then I realised that you just have a set of views like everyone else, which can be equally and legitimately criticised factually and emotionally, as can the people you like in politics be discredited or criticised just as the ones you like . So, in other words, the discourse with you was fun, but is always going to go around in circles as we will constantly drag out conflicting facts and evidence to support each others different standpoints, so that's why my agreement that this site really is a load of B****x as none of us have the absolute Truth. Time to get back to the football, methinks! I didn't say you had conceded to anything just that you had been proven incorrect when fact had been introduced. For instance, I showed that you cannot use Article 24 of GATT to carry on trading with EU for 10 years as an interim to a deal. This is not my opinion or belief. It is fact. You can believe differently. You will be wrong. When asked about who I like and I say Caroline Lucas and Justin Trudeau that is my belief. That is not the bit that has proven you incorrect. When you presented Trump as being against anti-semitism that was your belief. When I pointed out that he had tried to get rid of the anti-Semitism envoy, had employed a dubious character in terms of the whole anti-semitism debate and had referred to people openly displaying anti-semitism as 'fine people' that was fact not my opinion. When you claimed that Trump had pretty much got rid of the nuclear threats of Iran and North Korea that was your opinion. When I said that the UN published a report in April concluding that the threat of nuclear war was at its highest ever and that North Korea and Iran were the biggest threat, that was fact. In short, you have just shouted a load of opinions which have not stood up when reality and fact gave been introduced. Now you, laughingly, try to claim that your opinions are equivalent counter-arguments to published facts. Hilarious. Can you just point me towards these many 'facts ' you have produced.
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Post by 61666 on Jul 18, 2019 8:02:51 GMT
The BBC are running a programme tonight on how and why Brexit has gone wrong thus far. If the article on the news website this morning is anything to go by, it should make for serious viewing.
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Post by jdl on Jul 18, 2019 9:59:26 GMT
It's "gone wrong" because it was never possible.
The careerists, populists and extreme right who hijacked Brexit sold us a pig in a poke, without a pig in it.
All the referendum victory will do is make us a laughing stock (already happened), crash the economy, and cause severe social tension. We will be the first country ever to vote to be poorer. And the worst part of all this is that the bulk of all this will fall on the very people who were lied to and told that leaving would make their lives better.
And the people who lied to us? They'll be fine - Brexit won't hurt them in the least, some will even do well out of it.
The only answer is to stop it before it does any more damage, and to show up those people - Gove, Johnson, Farage, Rees-Mogg, etc, for what they really are before they can go any more harm.
Leave or Remain, they don't care about you, they don't care about about the country, all they care about is their own careers, or extreme political agendas, and personal wealth and power. We have to stop them before they f**k us over completely.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 18, 2019 11:26:52 GMT
I haven't conceded at all to being "proven wrong" NWS! My view are just different to your views. The people, parties and politics I follow are different to what you follow. The beliefs I have and the facts I have to support them are different to the beliefs you have and the facts you use to support them. You wont change the whatever I say and vice versa. I actually started to think maybe, due to your wide reading, that you had an insight or truth that I was missing until you said you were in the Green Party and thought highly of Caroline Lucas and thought the world could be run by Justin Trudeau! Then I realised that you just have a set of views like everyone else, which can be equally and legitimately criticised factually and emotionally, as can the people you like in politics be discredited or criticised just as the ones you like . So, in other words, the discourse with you was fun, but is always going to go around in circles as we will constantly drag out conflicting facts and evidence to support each others different standpoints, so that's why my agreement that this site really is a load of B****x as none of us have the absolute Truth. Time to get back to the football, methinks! I didn't say you had conceded to anything just that you had been proven incorrect when fact had been introduced. For instance, I showed that you cannot use Article 24 of GATT to carry on trading with EU for 10 years as an interim to a deal. This is not my opinion or belief. It is fact. You can believe differently. You will be wrong. When asked about who I like and I say Caroline Lucas and Justin Trudeau that is my belief. That is not the bit that has proven you incorrect. When you presented Trump as being against anti-semitism that was your belief. When I pointed out that he had tried to get rid of the anti-Semitism envoy, had employed a dubious character in terms of the whole anti-semitism debate and had referred to people openly displaying anti-semitism as 'fine people' that was fact not my opinion. When you claimed that Trump had pretty much got rid of the nuclear threats of Iran and North Korea that was your opinion. When I said that the UN published a report in April concluding that the threat of nuclear war was at its highest ever and that North Korea and Iran were the biggest threat, that was fact. In short, you have just shouted a load of opinions which have not stood up when reality and fact gave been introduced. Now you, laughingly, try to claim that your opinions are equivalent counter-arguments to published facts. Hilarious. Can you just point me towards these many 'facts ' you have produced. Sigh! How can you question Trumps love for Israel and hatred of anti-Semitism when he ignored world disapproval by moving the USA embassy to Jerusalem, and supporting Israel before Arab nations who want to wipe it off the face of the globe? Just look at how Benjamin Netanyahu describes Trump as such a significant friend to Israel. All facts. You cant love Israel and be anti-Semitic!
Compare that with Jeremy Corbyn's view of Israel, which aligns more with Terrorist organisations that, in my view, actually do need to be removed from the face of the earth! (Facts: the constant barrage of rocket attacks, suicide bombers, and underground tunnels into Israel from a terrorist led neighboroughing so-called "government".)
Beyond that, I cant be bothered anymore with this tit for tat NWS, the title of this thread is accurate. You quote the UN as making factual reports, but can you REALLY trust everything that the UN says as fact just because its the UN? Don't be so naïve!
I know you will probably claim my withdrawal as victory for your point of view, but that's your right, so go for it if it makes your day happy. I have far more enjoyable other things in life to enjoy than trading blows with someone who has a different view in the forlorn hope of either of us ever changing. Adios!
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Post by gromley on Jul 18, 2019 15:49:08 GMT
The careerists, populists and extreme right who hijacked Brexit sold us a pig in a poke, without a pig in it.
At risk of going off topic from our off-topicness isn't that a tautology?
A 'poke' being a bag or sack, the phrase refers to the practice of selling a pig in a bag. Only when the unfortunate buyer opens the afford said sack is the "cat let out of the bag"!
Well it's a least as interesting as some of the rest of this stuff.
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Post by jdl on Jul 18, 2019 17:18:28 GMT
The careerists, populists and extreme right who hijacked Brexit sold us a pig in a poke, without a pig in it. At risk of going off topic from our off-topicness isn't that a tautology? A 'poke' being a bag or sack, the phrase refers to the practice of selling a pig in a bag. Only when the unfortunate buyer opens the afford said sack is the "cat let out of the bag"! Well it's a least as interesting as some of the rest of this stuff. Pig or cat, the point is that you didn't know what you were getting when you bought it. But, although you almost certainly got a runt, you did at least get a pig. But the Brexit bag/poke is empty. No pig, no cat, no Brexit. Just a big, fat con. The aim of the game was to get Lord Snooty and his pals what they wanted - they don't give flying whatsit about us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 17:42:09 GMT
Odds are that there won't be a brexit at all, and the UK will remain in the EU as the result of protective action.
The US markets are looking very much like they did just before the financial crisis. I can't help feeling that within the next 6 weeks or so some global event will trigger the next crash, which could be much bigger then the last one. Over recent weeks tons of money has been piling into the US$ as a safe haven currency, and more recently Gold. The transportation and US2000 indexes look like they are about to roll over, and Gold miners ETFs are starting to go through the roof, just as they did in 2008. When the US sneezes, everyone else gets a cold, unfortunately this time the US is about to catch the flu.
Quantitative easing and austerity anyone? Oh well the rich will get richer, and the poor ...
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Post by jdl on Jul 18, 2019 22:20:32 GMT
Odds are that there won't be a brexit at all, and the UK will remain in the EU as the result of protective action. The US markets are looking very much like they did just before the financial crisis. I can't help feeling that within the next 6 weeks or so some global event will trigger the next crash, which could be much bigger then the last one. Over recent weeks tons of money has been piling into the US$ as a safe haven currency, and more recently Gold. The transportation and US2000 indexes look like they are about to roll over, and Gold miners ETFs are starting to go through the roof, just as they did in 2008. When the US sneezes, everyone else gets a cold, unfortunately this time the US is about to catch the flu. Quantitative easing and austerity anyone? Oh well the rich will get richer, and the poor ... Well, the good news is that, once global warming really gets going (sooner than we expect), we won't be worrying too much about Brexit...
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Post by 61666 on Jul 23, 2019 11:41:14 GMT
So, we join the US of A in having a complete f*ckwit in charge? Time will tell, and maybe BoJo will be a great PM, but I am not holding my breath.
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Post by Nick on Jul 23, 2019 12:11:32 GMT
BoJo or 'The Clown' What's the difference?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 13:48:14 GMT
I suggest we all get together and raid Area 51, grab the nearest TR3B and try to find another planet to eventually wheeler.
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Post by jdl on Jul 23, 2019 13:59:14 GMT
BoJo or 'The Clown' What's the difference? I fear Johnson will be around longer and cause more damage. Relegation here we come... Oh, and it's not Boris, it's Alexander Boris de Pfeffel. Like Yaxley, he prefers not to use his real name to disguise who he really is.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 23, 2019 14:00:29 GMT
Boris will be a great PM as President Trump has been a great President, Brexit will happen on 31st October and we will do great trade deals with the USA, Canada and many others, and Stones will win the NLS by fifteen clear points with BTFC relegated, and Hak will win Non-League charmer of the year award with Sir John Still gracing the lawns of the Palace next Summer, and we will have a new stand on the Riverside bigger than any current stand at JWW for next year in NL. Have faith! Don't Panic!
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Post by daveu on Jul 23, 2019 15:12:44 GMT
Boris will be a great PM as President Trump has been a great President, Brexit will happen on 31st October and we will do great trade deals with the USA, Canada and many others, and Stones will win the NLS by fifteen clear points with BTFC relegated, and Hak will win Non-League charmer of the year award with Sir John Still gracing the lawns of the Palace next Summer, and we will have a new stand on the Riverside bigger than any current stand at JWW for next year in NL. Have faith! Don't Panic! You believe what you want, but in reality the man is a self serving fuckwit who only was originally a remainer but switched to Brexit because he could see how that would benefit his ambitions to be Prime Minister. He's liar, a misogynist, a fantasist and completely f**king mental. Tell you what, you stick to your principles and when it all goes tits up, those who voted to leave should be the first to lose everything.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 23, 2019 16:07:14 GMT
Boris will be a great PM as President Trump has been a great President, Brexit will happen on 31st October and we will do great trade deals with the USA, Canada and many others, and Stones will win the NLS by fifteen clear points with BTFC relegated, and Hak will win Non-League charmer of the year award with Sir John Still gracing the lawns of the Palace next Summer, and we will have a new stand on the Riverside bigger than any current stand at JWW for next year in NL. Have faith! Don't Panic! You believe what you want, but in reality the man is a self serving fuckwit who only was originally a remainer but switched to Brexit because he could see how that would benefit his ambitions to be Prime Minister. He's liar, a misogynist, a fantasist and completely f**king mental. Tell you what, you stick to your principles and when it all goes tits up, those who voted to leave should be the first to lose everything. This is exactly what Brexiteers have had to face since the vote.
Remainers are intolerant, impolite, enjoy character assassinations based on scant or know knowledge of the person they are attacking, and do so in a rude, aggressive and venomous manner.
To think that they accuse US of being right wing morons who are intolerant! They are the new fascists - i.e. its our way or we hate you!
Soooooo intolerant!
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