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Post by 61666 on Jul 15, 2019 16:22:28 GMT
I care, but as to the willy waving reference, it is more than arguable that this also refers to the football side of things too, if not more. Whatever, but well done the England cricket team!
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Post by nws on Jul 15, 2019 17:41:09 GMT
Here is my assessment....Nobody cares! Whoever made this thread in the general Maidstone chat just wanted attention and to stir up pointless debate and to waste life quite frankly... Politics is bullshit, the 2/3 main parties/mafias do the same thing and the sheepie following/voting are just as irrelevant and worthless. I have never voted thank god and won't be following the trend to do because I don't feel the need to raise my self esteem over a so called elite group of people who see the general public as pawns anyway. Get a grip, Let's just concentrate on the football side of things in this section instead of having 100 pages of willy waving about who is the best because that's all these threads are... "Nobody cares" "Having 100 pages..." Care to explain how two comments that suggest something diametrically opposed have been used in the one post? I'd suggest people do care because the outcome of this will affect their lives.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 16, 2019 12:28:14 GMT
Would much prefer a GADDS no.5.đșđșđș Mr Sword. The tedium I am sticking on this thread is the tedium that people do need to engage with. Shouting that life is bad, we want out of the EU and don't care about a deal will prove, effectively, to be a detrimental move for large swathes of our population because it will potentially lead to job losses, particularly in manufacturing. I don't disagree that, over time, we might start to put things right again through increasing in niche markets etc, such as renewables However, the machete cutting exercise of just leaving on 31st October could prove so brutal it takes generations just to get back to where we currently are. I may be utterly wrong and it won't be that bad but every available indication is that it will be, save the pronouncements of a few MPs that are either living in a bygone era or have an eye on using the ensuing mess to further their careers or personally enrich themselves or both. Why else would they still be promoting things that have been shown, by the people most knowledgeable about them, to be patently untrue? Why oh why do so many people in this country seem to have a cavalier/kamikaze approach to this to the point they start denying reality? Problem is Mr NWS that the harbingers of doom in the so called quality press and financial reviewers all deluged us with patently untrue predictions of disaster just for voting leave which did not happen, so what is the truth? No on can say what will happen. Even Carnegie at BOE says itâll all be ok! No major companies seem that perturbed by us actually leaving - deal or no deal - and your fears about UK Manufacturing are from a bygone age as we are no longer a Manufacturer in this Adam Smith global economy. Also the politicians wanting to stay on the EU gravy train seem to be the ones espousing arguments to stay in a club which benefits them greatly. The reality is it doesnât matter what you or I think, that we are indeed pawns of a global ruling economic elite which will continue to lead us to a one world government and economy which over time will become a dictatorship. WTO, EU, Bilderberg G8 etc are just the start. Brexit and the election of Trump are just two amusing hiccups to the progress of that elite which they didnât expect because they underestimated the people they thought they had subdued into unquestionably following their plans through ignorance and by making them economically comfortable and politically ignorant.Cameron in UK and the Washington elite of the Clintons and their elite clubs both underestimated this. No doubt over time these bursts of independence of the ordinary âignorantâ people will succumb to the fearmongering of the ruling global elite and media in time but I for one am enjoying seeing the likes of Anne Widdecombe waving the flag of independance in their angry faces until the inevitable happens and we are all beholden to a world government we really wonât have any control over!
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Post by malibustacey on Jul 16, 2019 19:52:40 GMT
I find this ânothing happened after the referendumâ thing really weird. The pound plummeted. Itâs made everything more expensive.
There is a good quote I like: âExperts issue warnings... idiots dismiss them... experts use expertise to mitigate effects... idiots claim victory.â
And the âeliteâ thing... as if any of the senior leave lot are penniless men-of-the-people. Boris doesnât claim income benefit, Farage doesnât need housing assistance.
No major companies? How about... Sony, Dyson, Flybmi, Jaguar Land Rover, Nissan, Honda, Ford, Moneygram, British Steel, Philips, P&O, Airbus, Barclays, Hitachi, JPMorgan, Citibank. All related at least to currency issues. There are far more.
Politicians who want to stay want all of us to be better off. The likes of JRM will be fine since they have hefty investments outside the UK.
Carney (I assume you mean him) said in latest update that no deal would require more economic stimulus. These things cost billions, surely we could spend that on better things?
Have I missed anything?
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Post by 61666 on Jul 16, 2019 21:05:06 GMT
Richard Branson doesn't want no deal either. A post that works for me anyway.
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Post by nws on Jul 16, 2019 23:36:26 GMT
I find this ânothing happened after the referendumâ thing really weird. The pound plummeted. Itâs made everything more expensive. There is a good quote I like: âExperts issue warnings... idiots dismiss them... experts use expertise to mitigate effects... idiots claim victory.â And the âeliteâ thing... as if any of the senior leave lot are penniless men-of-the-people. Boris doesnât claim income benefit, Farage doesnât need housing assistance. No major companies? How about... Sony, Dyson, Flybmi, Jaguar Land Rover, Nissan, Honda, Ford, Moneygram, British Steel, Philips, P&O, Airbus, Barclays, Hitachi, JPMorgan, Citibank. All related at least to currency issues. There are far more. Politicians who want to stay want all of us to be better off. The likes of JRM will be fine since they have hefty investments outside the UK. Carney (I assume you mean him) said in latest update that no deal would require more economic stimulus. These things cost billions, surely we could spend that on better things? Have I missed anything? A great answer. The pound also fell yesterday after the pronouncements of Johnson and hunt. I'll happily add to your great answer by further pointing out that about a month after the leave vote, Carney and Co at the BoE dropped interest rates and pumped in more QE. On the elite front...brexit was bankrolled by such anti-elitist as billionnaire Aaron Banks, the billionnaire Barclay Brothers who own the Ritz and The Daily Telegraph, James Dyson (who moved his company registration to Singapore earlier this year). Donald Trump ha surrounded himself with ex-bankers and other anti elitists like Rex Tillerson (CEO of Exxon). There also the continual linking to Putin, widely believed to be the richest man in the world! The politicians wanting to stay are on the EU gravy train was a strange comment given the amount of MEP seats held by brexit party members. The trouble is coming up with a counter point when thinking of investment people like JRM and Farage and zero tariff. I don't think I've ever said it befoređđ Major companies and Carney not being bothered is just an idiotic cmment
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Post by jdl on Jul 17, 2019 0:03:41 GMT
Mr Sword. The tedium I am sticking on this thread is the tedium that people do need to engage with. Shouting that life is bad, we want out of the EU and don't care about a deal will prove, effectively, to be a detrimental move for large swathes of our population because it will potentially lead to job losses, particularly in manufacturing. I don't disagree that, over time, we might start to put things right again through increasing in niche markets etc, such as renewables However, the machete cutting exercise of just leaving on 31st October could prove so brutal it takes generations just to get back to where we currently are. I may be utterly wrong and it won't be that bad but every available indication is that it will be, save the pronouncements of a few MPs that are either living in a bygone era or have an eye on using the ensuing mess to further their careers or personally enrich themselves or both. Why else would they still be promoting things that have been shown, by the people most knowledgeable about them, to be patently untrue? Why oh why do so many people in this country seem to have a cavalier/kamikaze approach to this to the point they start denying reality? Problem is Mr NWS that the harbingers of doom in the so called quality press and financial reviewers all deluged us with patently untrue predictions of disaster just for voting leave which did not happen, so what is the truth? No on can say what will happen. Even Carnegie at BOE says itâll all be ok! No major companies seem that perturbed by us actually leaving - deal or no deal - and your fears about UK Manufacturing are from a bygone age as we are no longer a Manufacturer in this Adam Smith global economy. Also the politicians wanting to stay on the EU gravy train seem to be the ones espousing arguments to stay in a club which benefits them greatly. The reality is it doesnât matter what you or I think, that we are indeed pawns of a global ruling economic elite which will continue to lead us to a one world government and economy which over time will become a dictatorship. WTO, EU, Bilderberg G8 etc are just the start. Brexit and the election of Trump are just two amusing hiccups to the progress of that elite which they didnât expect because they underestimated the people they thought they had subdued into unquestionably following their plans through ignorance and by making them economically comfortable and politically ignorant.Cameron in UK and the Washington elite of the Clintons and their elite clubs both underestimated this. No doubt over time these bursts of independence of the ordinary âignorantâ people will succumb to the fearmongering of the ruling global elite and media in time but I for one am enjoying seeing the likes of Anne Widdecombe waving the flag of independance in their angry faces until the inevitable happens and we are all beholden to a world government we really wonât have any control over! And the moon landings were faked?
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Post by 61666 on Jul 17, 2019 7:11:58 GMT
And Elvis lives under the Genco Stand.
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Post by daveu on Jul 17, 2019 8:11:48 GMT
Problem is Mr NWS that the harbingers of doom in the so called quality press and financial reviewers all deluged us with patently untrue predictions of disaster just for voting leave which did not happen, so what is the truth? No on can say what will happen. Even Carnegie at BOE says itâll all be ok! No major companies seem that perturbed by us actually leaving - deal or no deal - and your fears about UK Manufacturing are from a bygone age as we are no longer a Manufacturer in this Adam Smith global economy. Also the politicians wanting to stay on the EU gravy train seem to be the ones espousing arguments to stay in a club which benefits them greatly. The reality is it doesnât matter what you or I think, that we are indeed pawns of a global ruling economic elite which will continue to lead us to a one world government and economy which over time will become a dictatorship. WTO, EU, Bilderberg G8 etc are just the start. Brexit and the election of Trump are just two amusing hiccups to the progress of that elite which they didnât expect because they underestimated the people they thought they had subdued into unquestionably following their plans through ignorance and by making them economically comfortable and politically ignorant.Cameron in UK and the Washington elite of the Clintons and their elite clubs both underestimated this. No doubt over time these bursts of independence of the ordinary âignorantâ people will succumb to the fearmongering of the ruling global elite and media in time but I for one am enjoying seeing the likes of Anne Widdecombe waving the flag of independance in their angry faces until the inevitable happens and we are all beholden to a world government we really wonât have any control over! And the moon landings were faked? At the risk of being whooshed...absolute bollox.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 17, 2019 18:07:19 GMT
And the moon landings were faked? At the risk of being whooshed...absolute bollox. Isn't that the point of this website? I didn't think any of it was actually serious!
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Post by nws on Jul 17, 2019 18:39:02 GMT
At the risk of being whooshed...absolute bollox. Isn't that the point of this website? I didn't think any of it was actually serious! There we go... Chat breeze...get proven wrong by facts and then claim it wasn't serious
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 17, 2019 19:19:13 GMT
Isn't that the point of this website? I didn't think any of it was actually serious! There we go... Chat breeze...get proven wrong by facts and then claim it wasn't serious I haven't conceded at all to being "proven wrong" NWS! My view are just different to your views. The people, parties and politics I follow are different to what you follow. The beliefs I have and the facts I have to support them are different to the beliefs you have and the facts you use to support them. You wont change the whatever I say and vice versa. I actually started to think maybe, due to your wide reading, that you had an insight or truth that I was missing until you said you were in the Green Party and thought highly of Caroline Lucas and thought the world could be run by Justin Trudeau! Then I realised that you just have a set of views like everyone else, which can be equally and legitimately criticised factually and emotionally, as can the people you like in politics be discredited or criticised just as the ones you like . So, in other words, the discourse with you was fun, but is always going to go around in circles as we will constantly drag out conflicting facts and evidence to support each others different standpoints, so that's why my agreement that this site really is a load of B****x as none of us have the absolute Truth. Time to get back to the football, methinks!
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Post by Nick on Jul 17, 2019 19:26:47 GMT
Problem is oldboy, you get back to talking football and still most reasonable people will carry on disagreeing with you. There is clearly a pattern emerging here.
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Post by 61666 on Jul 17, 2019 20:55:10 GMT
Theresa May gave a speech today about how politics is becoming increasingly polarised and that the world needs to learn to compromise more. Found myself starting to think there was something worthwhile in what she was saying, but then someone pointed out that if she had been more willing to compromise over 'her' Brexit, we wouldn't be in the current mess in the first place...
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Post by jdl on Jul 17, 2019 22:56:13 GMT
And the moon landings were faked? At the risk of being whooshed...absolute bollox. A risk you are apparently prepared to take! No whoooosh intended at all, just taking Old Boy's 'logic' to its natural conclusion - if he believes all that old bollocks, he'll believe other nonsense too.
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