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Post by headstone on Jul 21, 2019 15:14:21 GMT
During this summer I bumped into Terry Casey in the town an got chatting about targets an ambitions for next season, he admitted that the club could not afford to stay in the national league and all future signings will be low budget players unless someone really special came along, this would remain so until the funds increased or a new investor comes along. I asked him about the next season 2021/22 because if we struggle this year it,s highly likely that 2 seasons in the NLS will have an impact on fans an ST sales. He admitted that was a worry for the club, but he,s pinning his hopes on maybe scraping into the play-offs, to me that is very low ambitions of a club like this. This sounds like realism, not something football fans naturally subscribe to. I'd still rather we had a club to support, whatever the level, than one reaching for the stars leading to 1992 all over again. Our days in the Kent League were fantastic!
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Post by BringBackIggy on Jul 21, 2019 15:26:11 GMT
Are we not looking for a left sided winger? Perhaps one who is slightly more defensive? Already worked with John Still and knows the club. He may be last remaining player from the old guard and JS2 wants a clean sweep but he is pretty much all we are looking for. He was decent going forward last season and put a good ball in, and being absolutely rapid helps, don't forget he has league experience. If Cheseman was forward taking a corner for example he could drop back. As we are paying him and nobody else wants him why not use him instead of putting another player on the wage bill. I know he may be a high earner but we have gotta play him then if he does well we can get 2 or 3 newbies.
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Post by jdl on Jul 21, 2019 15:37:30 GMT
During this summer I bumped into Terry Casey in the town an got chatting about targets an ambitions for next season, he admitted that the club could not afford to stay in the national league and all future signings will be low budget players unless someone really special came along, this would remain so until the funds increased or a new investor comes along. I asked him about the next season 2021/22 because if we struggle this year it,s highly likely that 2 seasons in the NLS will have an impact on fans an ST sales. He admitted that was a worry for the club, but he,s pinning his hopes on maybe scraping into the play-offs, to me that is very low ambitions of a club like this. This sounds like realism, not something football fans naturally subscribe to. I'd still rather we had a club to support, whatever the level, than one reaching for the stars leading to 1992 all over again. Our days in the Kent League were fantastic! Just liked two headstone posts! I must be going soft in my old age But, as I posted the other day, I think we might have to face a bit of a reality check and accept that we are not naturally a NL club. Despite our support and fantastic ground, we simply don't have the money to compete at that level. Unless we can get extra investment, or somehow grow the club's income, we might have to accept that we are an IS/NS level club. And far from the beginning of a new era, getting into the NL was actually just a brief, expensive, abberation. We assume that we were a big club, getting back to its natural level, but perhaps we just hit lucky with an exceptional manager? And, unless we are lucky enough to find another Jay, we are going to struggle to do anything better than mid-table NS. And possibly not even that. How many of our fan base could stomach another relegation? We have no divine right to play at this level, and if we can't put together a team that competes we won't stay at this level.
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Post by 1018 on Jul 21, 2019 15:48:32 GMT
Well if the likes of Accrington, Morecambe, Crawley & others can survive as FL Clubs then there is every reason to feel that we should be at NL level as a minimum.
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Post by jakeyboi on Jul 21, 2019 15:54:34 GMT
This sounds like realism, not something football fans naturally subscribe to. I'd still rather we had a club to support, whatever the level, than one reaching for the stars leading to 1992 all over again. Our days in the Kent League were fantastic! Just liked two headstone posts! I must be going soft in my old age But, as I posted the other day, I think we might have to face a bit of a reality check and accept that we are not naturally a NL club. Despite our support and fantastic ground, we simply don't have the money to compete at that level. Unless we can get extra investment, or somehow grow the club's income, we might have to accept that we are an IS/NS level club. And far from the beginning of a new era, getting into the NL was actually just a brief, expensive, abberation. We assume that we were a big club, getting back to its natural level, but perhaps we just hit lucky with an exceptional manager? And, unless we are lucky enough to find another Jay, we are going to struggle to do anything better than mid-table NS. And possibly not even that. How many of our fan base could stomach another relegation? We have no divine right to play at this level, and if we can't put together a team that competes we won't stay at this level. What do you class as a big club? Compared to other NLS clubs we are a bigger club than most, we have a very high fan base, on average 2000 per game, so that generates a healthy income, the rental from the pitch etc also brings a massive income, so why can we not hope to improve. Last season was a financial disaster for the club, firstly the money Saunders spent on players that proved useless, then the fortune that the clown wasted put the club back further than we all imagined. Now we need to realise it may take 2 maybe 3 seasons before we could get back to the NL. Will we be able to maintain ST sales during that time without fans going off to other clubs. Time will tell, yes theres a loyal bunch but at a guess 1000 or so could easily drift away to other clubs. That would be a massive blow to the bank accounts.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 21, 2019 17:32:00 GMT
During this summer I bumped into Terry Casey in the town an got chatting about targets an ambitions for next season, he admitted that the club could not afford to stay in the national league and all future signings will be low budget players unless someone really special came along, this would remain so until the funds increased or a new investor comes along. I asked him about the next season 2021/22 because if we struggle this year it,s highly likely that 2 seasons in the NLS will have an impact on fans an ST sales. He admitted that was a worry for the club, but he,s pinning his hopes on maybe scraping into the play-offs, to me that is very low ambitions of a club like this. This sounds like realism, not something football fans naturally subscribe to. I'd still rather we had a club to support, whatever the level, than one reaching for the stars leading to 1992 all over again. Our days in the Kent League were fantastic! Oh dear that’s not in keeping with the upbeat mood of the supporters evening but does match the PSF showings so far, and explains them. Could be a hard season.
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Post by Nick on Jul 21, 2019 20:00:30 GMT
I can't imagine what you mean oldboy ! we have been consistent in our friendly matches so far but in the main we have barely looked like a decent NLS team let alone a team that is going to challenge for the play-offs defensively we seem plenty good enough but still really lightweight in midfield and the attacking line up is seriously short of goals (looking at the cv's of our forwards, there's no proven goal-scorer at this level) I wish I could dismiss your prediction that it could be a hard season ahead
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 20:25:37 GMT
The major difference in our ability to compete at National level and beyond is our off field structures and revenue raising. This has been alluded to by John Still and the main reasons I believe for him becoming involved. He knows what it takes for smaller clubs to make the step up. You need to attract supporters sponsors obviously but you need to unearth players that can be sold on for decent profits. Other marketing ideas for revenue raising could be explored. The club will not compete merely on gate receipts and the 3g model at a higher level than where we are.
If other clubs can do it so can we. The rich benefactor is just a shortcut to achieve this aim with the right structure/foundation the club will be in the right and sound financial position for progress
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Post by jdl on Jul 21, 2019 20:39:04 GMT
Well if the likes of Accrington, Morecambe, Crawley & others can survive as FL Clubs then there is every reason to feel that we should be at NL level as a minimum. Quite agree. All we need is the investment they had.
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Post by butlerisalegend on Jul 21, 2019 20:39:28 GMT
The major difference in our ability to compete at National level and beyond is our off field structures and revenue raising. This has been alluded to by John Still and the main reasons I believe for him becoming involved. He knows what it takes for smaller clubs to make the step up. You need to attract supporters sponsors obviously but you need to unearth players that can be sold on for decent profits. Other marketing ideas for revenue raising could be explored. The club will not compete merely on gate receipts and the 3g model at a higher level than where we are. If other clubs can do it so can we. The rich benefactor is just a shortcut to achieve this aim with the right structure/foundation the club will be in the right and sound financial position for progress This unearthing players to sell on for decent profits reference can’t really work if players are on 1 year deals though. Surely clubs will wait and sign them for nothing?? From memory we only have Olutade on a 2 year deal I think.
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Post by Nick on Jul 21, 2019 22:01:17 GMT
Very true point about signing up players on a one year deal. How on earth can you sell them off for a big profit a few months later ? It's not going to happen. Also our history of signing players for 2 years has been pretty grim, with the club typically wanting to unload the same players asap. Just doesn't sound right somehow.
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Post by swampy on Jul 22, 2019 7:02:59 GMT
At the supporters meeting John Still said that all players on 1 year contracts have got 1 year options that will kick in after a certain amount of appearances.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 22, 2019 8:06:07 GMT
I can't imagine what you mean oldboy ! we have been consistent in our friendly matches so far but in the main we have barely looked like a decent NLS team let alone a team that is going to challenge for the play-offs defensively we seem plenty good enough but still really lightweight in midfield and the attacking line up is seriously short of goals (looking at the cv's of our forwards, there's no proven goal-scorer at this level) I wish I could dismiss your prediction that it could be a hard season ahead You see, Nick, we aren't that far apart! EGT highlights made us look a bit better (apart from their goal! ), but there again what league are EGT in?
Big test tomorrow night against Daggers and Saturday vs Southend. The last two opportunities for the main starting 11 to get playing together in a convincing way to compete in NLS. I hope they put on a show to inspire - its desperately needed!
Hope Stephen Ohoh plays again. Mind you having two players with odd footballing names doesn't inspire......I am waiting for the commentary now...........poor pass to Im-a-luzor.....Oh Oh!
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Post by jdh80 on Jul 22, 2019 9:21:30 GMT
I can't imagine what you mean oldboy ! we have been consistent in our friendly matches so far but in the main we have barely looked like a decent NLS team let alone a team that is going to challenge for the play-offs defensively we seem plenty good enough but still really lightweight in midfield and the attacking line up is seriously short of goals (looking at the cv's of our forwards, there's no proven goal-scorer at this level) I wish I could dismiss your prediction that it could be a hard season ahead You see, Nick, we aren't that far apart! EGT highlights made us look a bit better (apart from their goal! ), but there again what league are EGT in?
Big test tomorrow night against Daggers and Saturday vs Southend. The last two opportunities for the main starting 11 to get playing together in a convincing way to compete in NLS. I hope they put on a show to inspire - its desperately needed!
Hope Stephen Ohoh plays again. Mind you having two players with odd footballing names doesn't inspire......I am waiting for the commentary now...........poor pass to Im-a-luzor.....Oh Oh!
it's Okoh not ohoh. If the commentators won't to throw in some name puns. That was a bit iffy - when Iffy Allen does something wrong That was truly Devine - when Danny Devine does something good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 10:41:02 GMT
The major difference in our ability to compete at National level and beyond is our off field structures and revenue raising. This has been alluded to by John Still and the main reasons I believe for him becoming involved. He knows what it takes for smaller clubs to make the step up. You need to attract supporters sponsors obviously but you need to unearth players that can be sold on for decent profits. Other marketing ideas for revenue raising could be explored. The club will not compete merely on gate receipts and the 3g model at a higher level than where we are. If other clubs can do it so can we. The rich benefactor is just a shortcut to achieve this aim with the right structure/foundation the club will be in the right and sound financial position for progress This unearthing players to sell on for decent profits reference can’t really work if players are on 1 year deals though. Surely clubs will wait and sign them for nothing?? From memory we only have Olutade on a 2 year deal I think. That's for this season when a rapid rebuild was necessary. It's not going to be an overnight process but a build up. As stability is achieved it becomes easier to focus on off field activities and bringing in the Jem's that boost the bank balance if you are strengthening rather than starting from scratch like this season
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