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Post by toonarmy on Dec 30, 2018 21:00:06 GMT
Highlights of the game, if you want to scrutinise the sending off it’s at about 4 mins & 30 seconds in, I’m still none the wiser what he was doing, penalty is at 5 mins 10 seconds m.youtube.com/watch?v=sGDgOWs9BfU
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Post by Sennockian69 on Dec 30, 2018 21:21:52 GMT
I think he was rucking the ball - going all NZ. Can't do that on an opponents leg.
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Post by Bernie on Dec 30, 2018 21:52:51 GMT
Seems to stand gently on his leg...twice. First time might have been a joke or aiming for the ball. Second time he seemed to be pushed off balance. No real justification in the circumstances.
I once gently stood on someone's fingers to restrain their violence. It worked, and when the police turned up I released them without damage.
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Post by 61666 on Dec 30, 2018 22:23:07 GMT
Our goal? Fantastic header. The sending off? He was trying to get the ball. Admittedly their player was sat on it, so therefore his own fault for getting in the way(!). Certainly a foul, but sending off offence? Not for me. Clumsy, a yellow card, but straight red well over the top. Penalty? Not sure. Worner was going for the ball, so could be seen as a foul, but yellow card? Dangerous play presumably? No matter, it was a fantastic save, so bollocks to the ref, for once. A satisfactory outcome. If the highlights are an honest impression of the game, then we largely controlled it and, for once, kept BW pretty well shackled. Oh yes, and referees clearly still hate us. One can only wonder why.
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Post by skydweller on Dec 30, 2018 22:31:24 GMT
Our goal? Fantastic header. The sending off? He was trying to get the ball. Admittedly their player was sat on it, so therefore his own fault for getting in the way(!). Certainly a foul, but sending off offence? Not for me. Clumsy, a yellow card, but straight red well over the top. Penalty? Not sure. Worner was going for the ball, so could be seen as a foul, but yellow card? Dangerous play presumably? No matter, it was a fantastic save, so bollocks to the ref, for once. A satisfactory outcome. If the highlights are an honest impression of the game, then we largely controlled it and, for once, kept BW pretty well shackled. Oh yes, and referees clearly still hate us. One can only wonder why. You missed the part where Wishart stamped on their player then?
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Post by toonarmy on Dec 30, 2018 22:40:16 GMT
Our goal? Fantastic header. The sending off? He was trying to get the ball. Admittedly their player was sat on it, so therefore his own fault for getting in the way(!). Certainly a foul, but sending off offence? Not for me. Clumsy, a yellow card, but straight red well over the top. Penalty? Not sure. Worner was going for the ball, so could be seen as a foul, but yellow card? Dangerous play presumably? No matter, it was a fantastic save, so bollocks to the ref, for once. A satisfactory outcome. If the highlights are an honest impression of the game, then we largely controlled it and, for once, kept BW pretty well shackled. Oh yes, and referees clearly still hate us. One can only wonder why. It was a sending off why would you leave your leg hovering over his leg and then stand on his leg, no matter how gentle he may have done it, remember the ref only gets a split second to make a decision, Wishart was bloody stupid
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Post by jdl on Dec 30, 2018 23:14:56 GMT
I'd forgotten the Phillips save off the line! Fantastic bit of reaction football.
The goal looked even better on the video - still surprised it went in! (Not because it wasn't a good goal, just that we're so used to those shots not going in.)
Didn't think the penalty was deserved, Worner was clearly going for the ball, the player just got in the way. But the sending off was clear - stamped on him twice - and for no apparent reason, there seemed to be nothing untoward in the build-up. Perhaps a red was a bit harsh, but I don't really think we can argue. As Toon says, Wishart was bloody stupid - could have cost us the game.
Loved Walton's reaction when the final whistle went!
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Post by 61666 on Dec 31, 2018 8:21:21 GMT
Re Wishart, if there had been anything going on between the players, eg Wishart fouled early, or thought their player fouled him in that tackle, then the 'stamping' becomes more plausible, but not acceptable. Their player was sat on the ball, so for me, Wishart was trying to get the ball. Clumsily, yes, but real intent to hurt the player, exact revenge? It doesn't look like it to me and the commentary on Stoneslive didn't see anything openly aggressive either. We see it all the time these days. Players openly scream out when tackled, but get up perfectly ok a moment later, knowing they've conned the ref into a foul. For me, there was nothing aggressive from either player in the tackle beforehand, so nothing for Wishart to be annoyed about. He looks to be going for the ball that their player was shielding and who then made a meal of it. If Wishart had properly stamped on him, he would have needed lengthy treatment, you'd think. So, yellow card for me, because it was clumsy, not overtly aggressive. Others can disagree and I doubt this one will be rescinded, but there you go.
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Post by daveu on Dec 31, 2018 9:51:26 GMT
Re Wishart, if there had been anything going on between the players, eg Wishart fouled early, or thought their player fouled him in that tackle, then the 'stamping' becomes more plausible, but not acceptable. Their player was sat on the ball, so for me, Wishart was trying to get the ball. Clumsily, yes, but real intent to hurt the player, exact revenge? It doesn't look like it to me and the commentary on Stoneslive didn't see anything openly aggressive either. We see it all the time these days. Players openly scream out when tackled, but get up perfectly ok a moment later, knowing they've conned the ref into a foul. For me, there was nothing aggressive from either player in the tackle beforehand, so nothing for Wishart to be annoyed about. He looks to be going for the ball that their player was shielding and who then made a meal of it. If Wishart had properly stamped on him, he would have needed lengthy treatment, you'd think. So, yellow card for me, because it was clumsy, not overtly aggressive. Others can disagree and I doubt this one will be rescinded, but there you go. Just looked a bit silly to me. Whether there was any malice or not he gave the ref a decision to make, and I don't think we can really have any complaints.
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Post by shamstone on Dec 31, 2018 10:43:03 GMT
I think the BW players surrounding Wishart made the refs mind up. Another bad decision against us, which sadly is par for the course. Penalty decision was even worse because the could’ve gave them a point
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Post by 61666 on Dec 31, 2018 11:21:31 GMT
Agreed. For me, it is not the case that we always get bad decisions, shit happens, as the Buddhists say. What does annoy me is the number of game changing decisions that go against us, which always seem far more than other sides get
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Post by daveu on Dec 31, 2018 11:29:35 GMT
I think the BW players surrounding Wishart made the refs mind up. Another bad decision against us, which sadly is par for the course. Penalty decision was even worse because the could’ve gave them a point It really is time we stopped this paranoid rubbish about officials being against us. They're the same for everyone. Instead of complaining about other clubs influencing referees we should do more of it ourselves.
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Post by sword65 on Dec 31, 2018 12:00:37 GMT
I think the BW players surrounding Wishart made the refs mind up. Another bad decision against us, which sadly is par for the course. Penalty decision was even worse because the could’ve gave them a point It really is time we stopped this paranoid rubbish about officials being against us. They're the same for everyone. Instead of complaining about other clubs influencing referees we should do more of it ourselves. Yes and we will let you deliver the brown paper parcel with the cash in it.
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Post by shamstone on Dec 31, 2018 12:59:27 GMT
I think the BW players surrounding Wishart made the refs mind up. Another bad decision against us, which sadly is par for the course. Penalty decision was even worse because the could’ve gave them a point It really is time we stopped this paranoid rubbish about officials being against us. They're the same for everyone. Instead of complaining about other clubs influencing referees we should do more of it ourselves. It ain’t paranoia mate. It’s happening every game. You see other fans posting the same
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Post by nws on Dec 31, 2018 13:23:33 GMT
Re Wishart, if there had been anything going on between the players, eg Wishart fouled early, or thought their player fouled him in that tackle, then the 'stamping' becomes more plausible, but not acceptable. Their player was sat on the ball, so for me, Wishart was trying to get the ball. Clumsily, yes, but real intent to hurt the player, exact revenge? It doesn't look like it to me and the commentary on Stoneslive didn't see anything openly aggressive either. We see it all the time these days. Players openly scream out when tackled, but get up perfectly ok a moment later, knowing they've conned the ref into a foul. For me, there was nothing aggressive from either player in the tackle beforehand, so nothing for Wishart to be annoyed about. He looks to be going for the ball that their player was shielding and who then made a meal of it. If Wishart had properly stamped on him, he would have needed lengthy treatment, you'd think. So, yellow card for me, because it was clumsy, not overtly aggressive. Others can disagree and I doubt this one will be rescinded, but there you go. Just for the record, the Stoneslive team saw nothing at all be it aggressive or otherwise
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