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Post by nws on Nov 3, 2018 7:03:55 GMT
Re the full time thing, looking back to Ryman Premier days, not that long ago, my amber tinted memory says football was often better then and certainly more fun. We were doing better results wise of course, but there were plenty of quality players who were happy to be part time. Flisher, Collins, Mills, etc, etc. Since attaining National League status, all we seem to have had since is professional journeymen, who with every respect to the likes of Turgott, Pigott and new man Smith, are not going to set the FL alight and nor do they have the ability of our former part timers. Fitter, you'd hope, but lacking flair. Shame that this seems to be the price of progress. As always, absolutely spot on. You have an unervingly laser-like ability to cut through the crap and see the reality within. (i.e. you tend to agree with me!) Yet amazingly I have been vilified for years for saying old days was more fun and I wasn't so keen on rising up the leagues. Now you agree. Excellent. I would put segregation as something I dislike at this level. You never get to speak to opposing fans now. I would cite the Dover game as one that has suffered as a result. Last time we played them it was all aggro. It was only a few years ago we played down there and were all saying hello and shaking hands as we walked past each other to change ends at HT
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Post by nws on Nov 3, 2018 7:13:08 GMT
Can't help thinking the golden glow of hindsight has some influence on these perceptions. Of those players I think only Mills (and Flisher if he could stay fit) would ever compete with what we have now. Frannie, Jay May and Alex Brown for example were excellent Ryman Premier players but all three of them found National South too much of a challenge. It's easy to look back with fondness when you're winning and getting promoted. The overall feel of things is not as much fun any more but I don't think it's true to claim that the standard was better back then. Footy is a funny old game it seems to me the more money you pay to get in the less entertainment you get . Would much prefer a 5-4 against Corinthian Casuals for £6 than pay £15for the general rubbish that is National league football. And you hit the reason why I slope off to Herne Bay. It's cheaper and usually more fun.
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Post by porkystone on Nov 3, 2018 7:25:22 GMT
Footy is a funny old game it seems to me the more money you pay to get in the less entertainment you get . Would much prefer a 5-4 against Corinthian Casuals for £6 than pay £15for the general rubbish that is National league football. And you hit the reason why I slope off to Herne Bay. It's cheaper and usually more fun. But you can't stay stagnant in the Ryman South or equivalent for ever. Football is all about dreams of progress, new experiences, new venues etc. Back in the noughties when MUFC had briefly stagnated in the Kent League wasn't it a tad tedious to think of another year, another visit to play Cray or VCD ? Where we are now, football is difficult, results don't come easy, it's a challenge. I'm thoroughly looking forward to checking out The Hive this afternoon, much more so than going back to a Kent League ground for the umpteenth time.....
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Post by Sennockian69 on Nov 3, 2018 7:33:35 GMT
And you hit the reason why I slope off to Herne Bay. It's cheaper and usually more fun. But you can't stay stagnant in the Ryman South or equivalent for ever. Football is all about dreams of progress, new experiences, new venues etc. Back in the noughties when MUFC had briefly stagnated in the Kent League wasn't it a tad tedious to think of another year, another visit to play Cray or VCD ? Where we are now, football is difficult, results don't come easy, it's a challenge. I'm t horoughly looking forward to checking out The Hive this afternoon, much more so than going back to a Kent League ground for the umpteenth time..... A lot like life - Only a battle makes the outcome more rewarding - appropriate this year. I like the uncertainty and unpredictability of this season. I just hope we get rid of the use of the wrong tactics on a frequent basis.
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Post by nws on Nov 3, 2018 7:36:02 GMT
And you hit the reason why I slope off to Herne Bay. It's cheaper and usually more fun. But you can't stay stagnant in the Ryman South or equivalent for ever. Football is all about dreams of progress, new experiences, new venues etc. Back in the noughties when MUFC had briefly stagnated in the Kent League wasn't it a tad tedious to think of another year, another visit to play Cray or VCD ? Where we are now, football is difficult, results don't come easy, it's a challenge. I'm thoroughly looking forward to checking out The Hive this afternoon, much more so than going back to a Kent League ground for the umpteenth time..... So when you have 'progressed' another four times are you going to want to get relegated because you don't want to play Man U every season? To me a large part of the fun comes off the pitch. Now we are segregated - and don't chat to other supporters - and stuck in certain parts of the ground (I used to enjoy strolling around a ground). As people have identified elsewhere, they now struggle to identify with the team/club in they way they once did. For me, I found it easy to sit in the Ebbsfleet fans on Tuesday and treat our goal without getting excited. A far cry from yesteryear.
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Post by porkystone on Nov 3, 2018 7:36:51 GMT
Yet amazingly I have been vilified for years for saying old days was more fun and I wasn't so keen on rising up the leagues. Now you agree. Excellent. I would put segregation as something I dislike at this level. You never get to speak to opposing fans now. I would cite the Dover game as one that has suffered as a result. Last time we played them it was all aggro. It was only a few years ago we played down there and were all saying hello and shaking hands as we walked past each other to change ends at HT With the very greatest of respect, you're using football as a social crutch rather than concentrating on the huge achievement of MUFC to get this far. Talk to opposition supporters, you sure ?
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Post by nws on Nov 3, 2018 7:48:51 GMT
Yet amazingly I have been vilified for years for saying old days was more fun and I wasn't so keen on rising up the leagues. Now you agree. Excellent. I would put segregation as something I dislike at this level. You never get to speak to opposing fans now. I would cite the Dover game as one that has suffered as a result. Last time we played them it was all aggro. It was only a few years ago we played down there and were all saying hello and shaking hands as we walked past each other to change ends at HT With the very greatest of respect, you're using football as a social crutch rather than concentrating on the huge achievement of MUFC to get this far. Talk to opposition supporters, you sure ? Wanting to chat to people isn't using football as a 'social crutch'. I'm pretty certain I was a fairly vociferous and ardent fan in those days as well. Still maybe you are right. Perhaps I shold start to dream of regular trips to Sheffield u and Preston North End, being coralled in grounds for 3 hours before running the gauntlet of baying pikeys. For that I should also want to pay double the price and never wish to take my daughter's when they are older. Can't think why I bother with non-league... Incidentally, why was being stuck in the Kent League stagnation while being stuck in this one 'exciting and unpredictable'?
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Post by Sennockian69 on Nov 3, 2018 7:59:51 GMT
NWS - It's what rugby fans have done for eons. And don't tell me I lack passion for either.
I can't and have not commented on our stay in the Kent League for obvious reasons.
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Post by porkystone on Nov 3, 2018 8:19:34 GMT
Incidentally, why was being stuck in the Kent League stagnation while being stuck in this one 'exciting and unpredictable'? Because in this league you get new teams coming in at the top and the bottom. How interesting this year has been with the arrival of Barnet & Salford ? In 2004 / 5 ( get those anoraks rustling ) my log tells me I enjoyed no new grounds, not because I didn't do away games but because we were playing the same old crowd again......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 8:26:56 GMT
A very interesting discussion. In the 1990's, as the new Maidstone United were trying to work their way up through the Kent County league, I often used to watch Paddock Wood Town who also played in that league. It cost nothing, and the football was usually entertaining as the players may not have been world beaters, but they were skilful enough to make it so. I think it is a valid argument to say you can get a lot more entertainment out of watching, say, a close 2 - 2 draw between two teams in the lower levels of non-league than watching Stones struggle to a 1 - 1 draw in a scrappy game at Ebbsfleet. Having better quality players does not always lead to a better quality match, yet we have to pay more money as the level gets higher.
Unfortunately it isn't a solvable problem because as fans, we all dream of promotion to the next level. You can't have your cake and eat it, can you? If you go up, players want more money, and we have to cover some of that cost at the turnstile. Games at our level tend to be tight because the defences are so much better, and there is a lot of pressure on managers not to lose, meaning it is rarer for sides to set up with a very attack-minded formation. C'est la vie.
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Post by porkystone on Nov 3, 2018 8:44:45 GMT
Talk to opposition supporters, you sure ? Didn't mean this to sound so final. There are some fine people out there supporting other teams, Phil @ Ebbsfleet, Jerry Dohlen @ Cray, the entire population of the Wirral Peninsular, but also so many who you dread fetching up anywhere near to.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 3, 2018 9:05:51 GMT
And you hit the reason why I slope off to Herne Bay. It's cheaper and usually more fun. But you can't stay stagnant in the Ryman South or equivalent for ever. Football is all about dreams of progress, new experiences, new venues etc. Back in the noughties when MUFC had briefly stagnated in the Kent League wasn't it a tad tedious to think of another year, another visit to play Cray or VCD ? Where we are now, football is difficult, results don't come easy, it's a challenge. I'm thoroughly looking forward to checking out The Hive this afternoon, much more so than going back to a Kent League ground for the umpteenth time..... I am afraid I look at things from a selfish viewpoint . Due to my own circumstances money is very tight and the higher up the leagues we go the less I can afford to watch the club I love. Tell me what would be the point of being in EFL1 if you couldn't watch them.
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Post by porkystone on Nov 3, 2018 9:15:00 GMT
I am afraid I look at things from a selfish viewpoint . Due to my own circumstances money is very tight and the higher up the leagues we go the less I can afford to watch the club I love. Tell me what would be the point of being in EFL1 if you couldn't watch them. It's another side to the story, and not a good situation, but overall, we've got to appreciate the journey that MUFC are on, and enjoy it as much as we can ...
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Post by nws on Nov 3, 2018 13:21:09 GMT
Because in this league you get new teams coming in at the top and the bottom. How interesting this year has been with the arrival of Barnet & Salford ? In 2004 / 5 ( get those anoraks rustling ) my log tells me I enjoyed no new grounds, not because I didn't do away games but because we were playing the same old crowd again...... We were in the Kent League for 5 years. Were there no changes at all?
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Post by nws on Nov 3, 2018 13:26:50 GMT
Didn't mean this to sound so final. There are some fine people out there supporting other teams, Phil @ Ebbsfleet, Jerry Dohlen @ Cray, the entire population of the Wirral Peninsular, but also so many who you dread fetching up anywhere near to. I'm not sure why you have diddled things around to seemingly attribute something to me I never said. On your point, the people I don't want to be near me I usually avoid. It's not difficult. I've enjoyed chatting to many fine supporters down the years. A good example were several Dover fans when at Sittingbourne with whom I still speak to today if I see them at a game. This would not have happened now because of segregation
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