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Post by Tstone on Nov 1, 2018 12:41:38 GMT
Re the full time thing, looking back to Ryman Premier days, not that long ago, my amber tinted memory says football was often better then and certainly more fun. We were doing better results wise of course, but there were plenty of quality players who were happy to be part time. Flisher, Collins, Mills, etc, etc. Since attaining National League status, all we seem to have had since is professional journeymen, who with every respect to the likes of Turgott, Pigott and new man Smith, are not going to set the FL alight and nor do they have the ability of our former part timers. Fitter, you'd hope, but lacking flair. Shame that this seems to be the price of progress. As always, absolutely spot on. You have an unervingly laser-like ability to cut through the crap and see the reality within. (i.e. you tend to agree with me!) Until a certain person, who shall remain nameless, sticks his oar in!
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Post by jdl on Nov 1, 2018 15:02:13 GMT
As always, absolutely spot on. You have an unervingly laser-like ability to cut through the crap and see the reality within. (i.e. you tend to agree with me!) Can't help thinking the golden glow of hindsight has some influence on these perceptions. Of those players I think only Mills (and Flisher if he could stay fit) would ever compete with what we have now. Frannie, Jay May and Alex Brown for example were excellent Ryman Premier players but all three of them found National South too much of a challenge. It's easy to look back with fondness when you're winning and getting promoted. The overall feel of things is not as much fun any more but I don't think it's true to claim that the standard was better back then. He's not claiming the standard was better (although I haven't yet seen anyone that's much better than Mills, and a fit Flish would still make an excellent 60 minute sub), his argument was more nuanced than that. You (and me - and the other 2 or 3 thousand supporters) will support the Stones come what may, but when did you last really feel that this was your team, or even really enjoy a game. This feels very much like a time we just have to get through (for how much longer?), rather than supporting a team you have any real feelings for. We're all hoping that Harry can keep us in the NL and somehow recreate what we used to have, but I fear that things have changed for good - this is Stones 2.0, a professional 'League' side who's job is to survive and possibly succeed. It no longer feels like 'my' team - just a bunch of professionals paid to do a job. Throughout the long years I've supported the Stones, through the good times and bad, and to hell and back, I've never questioned why I support the club, why I go to watch games, but now I find myself wondering what it is that keeps me a Stones supporter. The manager's changed, practically the whole team has changed (and in such a short time) - who is it that I now support? What if they changed the strip and name as well...
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Post by sword65 on Nov 1, 2018 15:07:21 GMT
Can't help thinking the golden glow of hindsight has some influence on these perceptions. Of those players I think only Mills (and Flisher if he could stay fit) would ever compete with what we have now. Frannie, Jay May and Alex Brown for example were excellent Ryman Premier players but all three of them found National South too much of a challenge. It's easy to look back with fondness when you're winning and getting promoted. The overall feel of things is not as much fun any more but I don't think it's true to claim that the standard was better back then. He's not claiming the standard was better (although I haven't yet seen anyone that's much better than Mills, and a fit Flish would still make an excellent 60 minute sub), his argument was more nuanced than that. You (and me - and the other 2 or 3 thousand supporters) will support the Stones come what may, but when did you last really feel that this was your team, or even really enjoy a game. This feels very much like a time we just have to get through (for how much longer?), rather than supporting a team you have any real feelings for. We're all hoping that Harry can keep us in the NL and somehow recreate what we used to have, but I fear that things have changed for good - this is Stones 2.0, a professional 'League' side who's job is to survive and possibly succeed. It no longer feels like 'my' team - just a bunch of professionals paid to do a job. Throughout the long years I've supported the Stones, through the good times and bad, and to hell and back, I've never questioned why I support the club, why I go to watch games, but now I find myself wondering what it is that keeps me a Stones supporter. The manager's changed, practically the whole team has changed (and in such a short time) - who is it that I now support? What if they changed the strip and name as well... You mean wear blue and white and call ourselves Billericay rejects fc
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Post by pwoodstone on Nov 1, 2018 15:39:30 GMT
Can't help thinking the golden glow of hindsight has some influence on these perceptions. Of those players I think only Mills (and Flisher if he could stay fit) would ever compete with what we have now. Frannie, Jay May and Alex Brown for example were excellent Ryman Premier players but all three of them found National South too much of a challenge. It's easy to look back with fondness when you're winning and getting promoted. The overall feel of things is not as much fun any more but I don't think it's true to claim that the standard was better back then. He's not claiming the standard was better (although I haven't yet seen anyone that's much better than Mills, and a fit Flish would still make an excellent 60 minute sub), his argument was more nuanced than that. You (and me - and the other 2 or 3 thousand supporters) will support the Stones come what may, but when did you last really feel that this was your team, or even really enjoy a game. This feels very much like a time we just have to get through (for how much longer?), rather than supporting a team you have any real feelings for. We're all hoping that Harry can keep us in the NL and somehow recreate what we used to have, but I fear that things have changed for good - this is Stones 2.0, a professional 'League' side who's job is to survive and possibly succeed. It no longer feels like 'my' team - just a bunch of professionals paid to do a job. Throughout the long years I've supported the Stones, through the good times and bad, and to hell and back, I've never questioned why I support the club, why I go to watch games, but now I find myself wondering what it is that keeps me a Stones supporter. The manager's changed, practically the whole team has changed (and in such a short time) - who is it that I now support? What if they changed the strip and name as well... I have been thinking a lot of these thoughts myself in the past few months. I think it's just so different. It started for me when Flish and Millsy went. Then when Jay went and we changed the playing staff so dramatically and now Worgs has gone it seems like a different club. I'm not saying it is a bad thing and from a playing point of view it was probably needed but it is taking some time to get to know the players and to bond with them again. I think we need some wins., and some chants for the new players and it will come. We are already seeing much more commitment I think. On a side note, do you think the club have loosened the purse stings or has Harry just got a much better network than Jay had (or a little of both?). I think our current predicament (in terms of a new path) stems from the poor transfer dealings of Jay in the past summer.
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Post by jakeyboi on Nov 1, 2018 15:44:56 GMT
Can't help thinking the golden glow of hindsight has some influence on these perceptions. Of those players I think only Mills (and Flisher if he could stay fit) would ever compete with what we have now. Frannie, Jay May and Alex Brown for example were excellent Ryman Premier players but all three of them found National South too much of a challenge. It's easy to look back with fondness when you're winning and getting promoted. The overall feel of things is not as much fun any more but I don't think it's true to claim that the standard was better back then. He's not claiming the standard was better (although I haven't yet seen anyone that's much better than Mills, and a fit Flish would still make an excellent 60 minute sub), his argument was more nuanced than that. You (and me - and the other 2 or 3 thousand supporters) will support the Stones come what may, but when did you last really feel that this was your team, or even really enjoy a game. This feels very much like a time we just have to get through (for how much longer?), rather than supporting a team you have any real feelings for. We're all hoping that Harry can keep us in the NL and somehow recreate what we used to have, but I fear that things have changed for good - this is Stones 2.0, a professional 'League' side who's job is to survive and possibly succeed. It no longer feels like 'my' team - just a bunch of professionals paid to do a job. Throughout the long years I've supported the Stones, through the good times and bad, and to hell and back, I've never questioned why I support the club, why I go to watch games, but now I find myself wondering what it is that keeps me a Stones supporter. The manager's changed, practically the whole team has changed (and in such a short time) - who is it that I now support? What if they changed the strip and name as well... Things change as we move forward, Maidstone United can no longer be the little club plodding nicely along in the lower leagues where the manager speaks to everyone an players do the same. The club is and has to be run as a business, if we are to survive and even progress any further up the ladder. We will do ourselves long term harm if we do not progress, the club needs big crowds they need the sales from the club shop an from lots of season tickets an this wont be big enough unless it,s run professionally as a business, an sadly that means you cannot keep faith we staff who fail to maintain an improve standards, so there will always be a constant change in staff, yet it will always remain our club as fans, in fact thats the only safe bet in football, true fans never leave the club.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 1, 2018 15:54:15 GMT
He's not claiming the standard was better (although I haven't yet seen anyone that's much better than Mills, and a fit Flish would still make an excellent 60 minute sub), his argument was more nuanced than that. You (and me - and the other 2 or 3 thousand supporters) will support the Stones come what may, but when did you last really feel that this was your team, or even really enjoy a game. This feels very much like a time we just have to get through (for how much longer?), rather than supporting a team you have any real feelings for. We're all hoping that Harry can keep us in the NL and somehow recreate what we used to have, but I fear that things have changed for good - this is Stones 2.0, a professional 'League' side who's job is to survive and possibly succeed. It no longer feels like 'my' team - just a bunch of professionals paid to do a job. Throughout the long years I've supported the Stones, through the good times and bad, and to hell and back, I've never questioned why I support the club, why I go to watch games, but now I find myself wondering what it is that keeps me a Stones supporter. The manager's changed, practically the whole team has changed (and in such a short time) - who is it that I now support? What if they changed the strip and name as well... Things change as we move forward, Maidstone United can no longer be the little club plodding nicely along in the lower leagues where the manager speaks to everyone an players do the same. The club is and has to be run as a business, if we are to survive and even progress any further up the ladder. We will do ourselves long term harm if we do not progress, the club needs big crowds they need the sales from the club shop an from lots of season tickets an this wont be big enough unless it,s run professionally as a business, an sadly that means you cannot keep faith we staff who fail to maintain an improve standards, so there will always be a constant change in staff, yet it will always remain our club as fans, in fact thats the only safe bet in football, true fans never leave the club. Despite Oliver's optimistic outlook we will never progress as a club with 3G as the dinosaurs in the EFL will never accept it so just how many people will put up with mid -table obscurity for ,Let's Say, 20years.The answer my friend is blow....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 16:07:44 GMT
He's not claiming the standard was better (although I haven't yet seen anyone that's much better than Mills, and a fit Flish would still make an excellent 60 minute sub), his argument was more nuanced than that. You (and me - and the other 2 or 3 thousand supporters) will support the Stones come what may, but when did you last really feel that this was your team, or even really enjoy a game. This feels very much like a time we just have to get through (for how much longer?), rather than supporting a team you have any real feelings for. We're all hoping that Harry can keep us in the NL and somehow recreate what we used to have, but I fear that things have changed for good - this is Stones 2.0, a professional 'League' side who's job is to survive and possibly succeed. It no longer feels like 'my' team - just a bunch of professionals paid to do a job. Throughout the long years I've supported the Stones, through the good times and bad, and to hell and back, I've never questioned why I support the club, why I go to watch games, but now I find myself wondering what it is that keeps me a Stones supporter. The manager's changed, practically the whole team has changed (and in such a short time) - who is it that I now support? What if they changed the strip and name as well... I have been thinking a lot of these thoughts myself in the past few months. I think it's just so different. It started for me when Flish and Millsy went. Then when Jay went and we changed the playing staff so dramatically and now Worgs has gone it seems like a different club. I'm not saying it is a bad thing and from a playing point of view it was probably needed but it is taking some time to get to know the players and to bond with them again. I think we need some wins., and some chants for the new players and it will come. We are already seeing much more commitment I think. On a side note, do you think the club have loosened the purse stings or has Harry just got a much better network than Jay had (or a little of both?). I think our current predicament (in terms of a new path) stems from the poor transfer dealings of Jay in the past summer. I agree with all these sentiments - difficult to have a favourite player or really identify with the club - or even enjoy watching the football on offer by the sounds of it! On top of all that we get yet another "meh" draw in the Cup. We'll get our mojo back eventually I'm sure...
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Post by jdl on Nov 1, 2018 16:53:33 GMT
He's not claiming the standard was better (although I haven't yet seen anyone that's much better than Mills, and a fit Flish would still make an excellent 60 minute sub), his argument was more nuanced than that. You (and me - and the other 2 or 3 thousand supporters) will support the Stones come what may, but when did you last really feel that this was your team, or even really enjoy a game. This feels very much like a time we just have to get through (for how much longer?), rather than supporting a team you have any real feelings for. We're all hoping that Harry can keep us in the NL and somehow recreate what we used to have, but I fear that things have changed for good - this is Stones 2.0, a professional 'League' side who's job is to survive and possibly succeed. It no longer feels like 'my' team - just a bunch of professionals paid to do a job. Throughout the long years I've supported the Stones, through the good times and bad, and to hell and back, I've never questioned why I support the club, why I go to watch games, but now I find myself wondering what it is that keeps me a Stones supporter. The manager's changed, practically the whole team has changed (and in such a short time) - who is it that I now support? What if they changed the strip and name as well... I have been thinking a lot of these thoughts myself in the past few months. I think it's just so different. It started for me when Flish and Millsy went. Then when Jay went and we changed the playing staff so dramatically and now Worgs has gone it seems like a different club. I'm not saying it is a bad thing and from a playing point of view it was probably needed but it is taking some time to get to know the players and to bond with them again. I think we need some wins., and some chants for the new players and it will come. We are already seeing much more commitment I think. On a side note, do you think the club have loosened the purse stings or has Harry just got a much better network than Jay had (or a little of both?). I think our current predicament (in terms of a new path) stems from the poor transfer dealings of Jay in the past summer. I'm sure they've loosened the purse strings a lot. Quite a big gamble for them - carry on as we were or spend a bit (against all their self-sustainability rules) and hope Harry can turn the club around. I imagine O&T (especially T) are having a few sleepless night at the moment...
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Post by daveu on Nov 1, 2018 17:00:19 GMT
Things change as we move forward, Maidstone United can no longer be the little club plodding nicely along in the lower leagues where the manager speaks to everyone an players do the same. The club is and has to be run as a business, if we are to survive and even progress any further up the ladder. We will do ourselves long term harm if we do not progress, the club needs big crowds they need the sales from the club shop an from lots of season tickets an this wont be big enough unless it,s run professionally as a business, an sadly that means you cannot keep faith we staff who fail to maintain an improve standards, so there will always be a constant change in staff, yet it will always remain our club as fans, in fact thats the only safe bet in football, true fans never leave the club. Despite Oliver's optimistic outlook we will never progress as a club with 3G as the dinosaurs in the EFL will never accept it so just how many people will put up with mid -table obscurity for ,Let's Say, 20years.The answer my friend is blow.... Except it won't happen like that. Pitch technology is changing all the time and the modern hybrid pitches will give us around 60% of the use we currently get from 3G and are acceptable in the football league. When (if) the time comes I have little doubt that we will do what is required to get promoted. The increased revenue from being a league club will pretty much offset any loss of income from the pitch. The biggest loss will be a big chunk of the community feel of the club, but that seems to grow less and less the higher you go and may be something we have to learn to live with.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 1, 2018 17:14:23 GMT
Despite Oliver's optimistic outlook we will never progress as a club with 3G as the dinosaurs in the EFL will never accept it so just how many people will put up with mid -table obscurity for ,Let's Say, 20years.The answer my friend is blow.... Except it won't happen like that. Pitch technology is changing all the time and the modern hybrid pitches will give us around 60% of the use we currently get from 3G and are acceptable in the football league. When (if) the time comes I have little doubt that we will do what is required to get promoted. The increased revenue from being a league club will pretty much offset any loss of income from the pitch. The biggest loss will be a big chunk of the community feel of the club, but that seems to grow less and less the higher you go and may be something we have to learn to live with. Despite the fact that promotion to the EFL will restrict me financially to home games only I do so hope you are right but alas where Maidstone is involved things rarely go like clock work.
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Post by jdl on Nov 1, 2018 23:55:52 GMT
Despite Oliver's optimistic outlook we will never progress as a club with 3G as the dinosaurs in the EFL will never accept it so just how many people will put up with mid -table obscurity for ,Let's Say, 20years.The answer my friend is blow.... Except it won't happen like that. Pitch technology is changing all the time and the modern hybrid pitches will give us around 60% of the use we currently get from 3G and are acceptable in the football league. When (if) the time comes I have little doubt that we will do what is required to get promoted. The increased revenue from being a league club will pretty much offset any loss of income from the pitch. The biggest loss will be a big chunk of the community feel of the club, but that seems to grow less and less the higher you go and may be something we have to learn to live with. Anyone else of the opinion that our 3G is starting to look a bit rough again? It could just be the way it reflects the sun, so this time of year, when parts of the pitch are in shade and parts in sun, it looks a bit odd. But to my eyes it is starting to look rather worn and patchy. Not as bad as the old pitch got, but it does raise the question of just how long these pitches last if they are used as much as ours. And, if they don't last more than a few seasons with intensive use, then the whole justification for 3G starts to look a bit dodgy...
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Post by daveu on Nov 1, 2018 23:58:48 GMT
Except it won't happen like that. Pitch technology is changing all the time and the modern hybrid pitches will give us around 60% of the use we currently get from 3G and are acceptable in the football league. When (if) the time comes I have little doubt that we will do what is required to get promoted. The increased revenue from being a league club will pretty much offset any loss of income from the pitch. The biggest loss will be a big chunk of the community feel of the club, but that seems to grow less and less the higher you go and may be something we have to learn to live with. Anyone else of the opinion that our 3G is starting to look a bit rough again? It could just be the way it reflects the sun, so this time of year, when parts of the pitch are in shade and parts in sun, it looks a bit odd. But to my eyes it is starting to look rather worn and patchy. Not as bad as the old pitch got, but it does raise the question of just how long these pitches last if they are used as much as ours. And, if they don't last more than a few seasons with intensive use, then the whole justification for 3G starts to look a bit dodgy... I think they look worse than they actually are because the fibres are shinier than natural grass. Even when newly layed it looked pretty awful under lights.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 2, 2018 0:19:19 GMT
Anyone else of the opinion that our 3G is starting to look a bit rough again? It could just be the way it reflects the sun, so this time of year, when parts of the pitch are in shade and parts in sun, it looks a bit odd. But to my eyes it is starting to look rather worn and patchy. Not as bad as the old pitch got, but it does raise the question of just how long these pitches last if they are used as much as ours. And, if they don't last more than a few seasons with intensive use, then the whole justification for 3G starts to look a bit dodgy... I think they look worse than they actually are because the fibres are shinier than natural grass. Even when newly layed it looked pretty awful under lights. [br Get rid of it once and for all. We are useless playing on it as our home record proves . Put the grass down and do a G&N live within our means
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Post by Raymondo316 on Nov 2, 2018 0:53:20 GMT
I have been thinking a lot of these thoughts myself in the past few months. I think it's just so different. It started for me when Flish and Millsy went. Then when Jay went and we changed the playing staff so dramatically and now Worgs has gone it seems like a different club. I'm not saying it is a bad thing and from a playing point of view it was probably needed but it is taking some time to get to know the players and to bond with them again. I think we need some wins., and some chants for the new players and it will come. We are already seeing much more commitment I think. On a side note, do you think the club have loosened the purse stings or has Harry just got a much better network than Jay had (or a little of both?). I think our current predicament (in terms of a new path) stems from the poor transfer dealings of Jay in the past summer. I'm sure they've loosened the purse strings a lot. Quite a big gamble for them - carry on as we were or spend a bit (against all their self-sustainability rules) and hope Harry can turn the club around. I imagine O&T (especially T) are having a few sleepless night at the moment... I dont think they have allowed the ''big spend'' some people make it out to be. Of our current squad Doyle, Omotayo, Cassidy & Smith are on loan.....highly doubt we are paying their full wages. Walton, Powell & Swaine won't be on anything close to what they were earning at their bankrolled clubs...Romain (Dagenham were skint when he signed for them so i doubt he was on massive money) Meanwhile we have shipped out a load of players on loan or let them go. Heck Lewis, Worgs, Quigley & Mullings leaving must of cleared a decent amount of the budget.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 2, 2018 1:17:38 GMT
I'm sure they've loosened the purse strings a lot. Quite a big gamble for them - carry on as we were or spend a bit (against all their self-sustainability rules) and hope Harry can turn the club around. I imagine O&T (especially T) are having a few sleepless night at the moment... I dont think they have allowed the ''big spend'' some people make it out to be. Of our current squad Doyle, Omotayo, Cassidy & Smith are on loan.....highly doubt we are paying their full wages. Walton, Powell & Swaine won't be on anything close to what they were earning at their bankrolled clubs...Romain (Dagenham were skint when he signed for them so i doubt he was on massive money) Meanwhile we have shipped out a load of players on loan or let them go. Heck Lewis, Worgs, Quigley & Mullings leaving must of cleared a decent amount of the budget. On recent performances we can save more money by sending Walton back where he came from . Hopeless isn't the word.
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