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Post by skydweller on Jun 15, 2018 5:46:43 GMT
I have always believed that there are 2 sides to every story, and at the time the sacking of Nicky Southall seemed to me that he had been made a scapegoat for our low league finish to the season. As the club made no statement ( which is their right) we have to made our own conclusions . And after speaking to Nicky recently he is of the same persuasion. But what has really annoyed me is that he was not given a reason and the owners have not had the decency or balls to even talk to him. Having supported my hometown club for over 55yrs man and boy I no longer want to be associated with a company that treats its staff like that.. Good luck for the season because your going to need it.. Get a grip.
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Post by binsey on Jun 15, 2018 6:57:26 GMT
Supporter of 55 years would not stop me going, happens in football all the time. Good luck in supporting whoever you have changed to and if not all the best !!!!!!!
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Post by 61666 on Jun 15, 2018 7:18:24 GMT
Personnel come and go all the time. And not just in football. The consensus was that something had to change and if Jay had gone, it was odds on Southall went too, as that is the way of these things. Hence, either way, he would be pissed off, but as for club statements, for me, that is never going to happen, or they would be justifying everything, all the time. Shit happens and stirring it up only increases the smell. Time to move on, though he has, by the sound of it.
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Post by Nick on Jun 15, 2018 7:51:50 GMT
Well OTT response (stinks) Jay was very appreciate of Nicky's efforts and wished him well for the future. Really what happened was no different to his decisions to release around half the squad. Tough decisions needed to be taken.
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Post by exiled on Jun 15, 2018 8:20:23 GMT
Well OTT response (stinks) Jay was very appreciate of Nicky's efforts and wished him well for the future. Really what happened was no different to his decisions to release around half the squad. Tough decisions needed to be taken. You are missing the point no one is doubting Jay here it was just the way the club handled the news which was very poor
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Post by jdh80 on Jun 15, 2018 8:22:27 GMT
I have always believed that there are 2 sides to every story, and at the time the sacking of Nicky Southall seemed to me that he had been made a scapegoat for our low league finish to the season. As the club made no statement ( which is their right) we have to made our own conclusions . And after speaking to Nicky recently he is of the same persuasion. But what has really annoyed me is that he was not given a reason and the owners have not had the decency or balls to even talk to him. Having supported my hometown club for over 55yrs man and boy I no longer want to be associated with a company that treats its staff like that.. Good luck for the season because your going to need it.. Get a grip. If he's 55 years old and this is the worst he's heard of a company treating their staff then he's lived a sheltered life. Southall's contract was not renewed, he wasn't sacked, it's happened to me a couple of times company chooses not to renew your contract, doing contract work its all pretty familiar even in football when a players contract expires and is not renewed he is free to look elsewhere there is no blame towards either party, its pretty tame compared to the way I've seen some companies treat their staff. One company i worked for, i remember walking in Monday morning and the whole senior management team were being sacked and had ten minutes to pack and leave the site with security standing with them so that they did not log onto the computers, no reason given, just clear your desk. Another company hired youngsters and paid them poorly then dumped on them and had two managers who just threw the youngsters under the bus no support, no backing up nothing. Even baseball when a player is traded all they get is "you've been traded to the giants, here's so and so's contact details they'll help with the move" and that's it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 8:55:11 GMT
Reading NS's wiki page, he should be used to it: "Darlington let him go" "After scoring an own-goal against Stoke City during Grimsby's relegation run-in the 96/97 season, Southall was frozen out of the first team" "He was out-of-contract and Gillingham did not retain his services." Chip on his shoulder maybe? He's obviously said something pretty bitter to the OP.
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Post by tim on Jun 15, 2018 9:07:42 GMT
I am somewhat surprised that after 55 years supporting this club there hasn't been something from our previous regimes that hasn't upset him more!
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Post by Bernie on Jun 15, 2018 10:17:47 GMT
At the risk of sounding like I don't care...I don't care.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 16:41:26 GMT
'Sacking' is a much over-used word in football. As others have said, his contract was not renewed. If he was full-time employed and sacked there would have to be a good reason, e.g. gross misconduct otherwise he could take the club to a tribunal. Not having your contract renewed is a completely different thing.
The best thing Nicky can do is move on, and find himself a new job, which with his experience I'm sure he will. That has to be better than whingeing about your lot via associates / fans / relatives (whoever you guys really are) on a forum.
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Post by daveu on Jun 16, 2018 19:11:24 GMT
I don't know how it works in football, but in the real world if you have fixed term contracts, once you have been employed continuously for two years you have full employment rights, including entitlement to a redundancy payment even if your contract has reached its term. 'Sacking' is a much over-used word in football. As others have said, his contract was not renewed. If he was full-time employed and sacked there would have to be a good reason, e.g. gross misconduct otherwise he could take the club to a tribunal. Not having your contract renewed is a completely different thing. The best thing Nicky can do is move on, and find himself a new job, which with his experience I'm sure he will. That has to be better than whingeing about your lot via associates / fans / relatives (whoever you guys really are) on a forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 20:14:27 GMT
I don't know how it works in football, but in the real world if you have fixed term contracts, once you have been employed continuously for two years you have full employment rights, including entitlement to a redundancy payment even if your contract has reached its term. 'Sacking' is a much over-used word in football. As others have said, his contract was not renewed. If he was full-time employed and sacked there would have to be a good reason, e.g. gross misconduct otherwise he could take the club to a tribunal. Not having your contract renewed is a completely different thing. The best thing Nicky can do is move on, and find himself a new job, which with his experience I'm sure he will. That has to be better than whingeing about your lot via associates / fans / relatives (whoever you guys really are) on a forum. In which case if Nicky received no compensation, it is up to him to pursue it further using legal means if necessary. Such things are for him to sort out with the club - I don't think as fans we need concern ourselves too much with it.
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Post by nws on Jun 16, 2018 22:58:27 GMT
I don't know how it works in football, but in the real world if you have fixed term contracts, once you have been employed continuously for two years you have full employment rights, including entitlement to a redundancy payment even if your contract has reached its term. 'Sacking' is a much over-used word in football. As others have said, his contract was not renewed. If he was full-time employed and sacked there would have to be a good reason, e.g. gross misconduct otherwise he could take the club to a tribunal. Not having your contract renewed is a completely different thing. The best thing Nicky can do is move on, and find himself a new job, which with his experience I'm sure he will. That has to be better than whingeing about your lot via associates / fans / relatives (whoever you guys really are) on a forum. Ooooohh...hark at you, Mr Solicitor
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Jun 17, 2018 20:07:02 GMT
I don't agree with the term scapegoat however 17 winless games at any level of football would normally lead to a change of management. So the buck had to stop somewhere so it either had to be Jay or Nicky because the squad was theirs.
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Post by Nick on Jun 17, 2018 20:22:41 GMT
Except I don't think that's how it works
Jay was nailed on for a new contract for next season
But equally he knew he had to 'shake up' both his playing squad and backroom staff
Not rocket science !
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