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Post by cheshiregrandad on Nov 20, 2017 18:22:57 GMT
Having read Oliver's latest Blog I am glad I am not in Oliver and Terry's position in having to deal with all the issues Oliver outlined.
They have so many issues to resolve in a short period of time from hopefully getting the Council to change their mind regarding the Strip of land which is obviously an integral part of the Stadium's future development to having to try and get the EFL and National league to change their attitude regarding 3/4G pitches. In addition to this they have to raise £2 million pounds to finance the Stadium's expansion in anticipation of the Club getting promotion to the Football league.
It is also interesting that Oliver raises, as others have done on this forum, the unacceptable thought of having to throw matches to avoid getting promoted and risking a double league relegation.
We all have to be grateful that we have two successful businessmen looking after the Club's affairs who are determined to run the Club on a sound and professional financial footing.
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Post by butlerisalegend on Nov 20, 2017 19:14:41 GMT
He suggests we could refuse promotion/s because of the issues raised. I am sure most fans will back him and Terry as they only have the best interests of the club at heart. 1 thing that would spring to mind is how you would keep an ambitious manager and players if that were to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 19:35:22 GMT
He suggests we could refuse promotion/s because of the issues raised. I am sure most fans will back him and Terry as they only have the best interests of the club at heart. 1 thing that would spring to mind is how you would keep an ambitious manager and players if that were to happen. Totally agree. If we ended up playing in National League South next season due to that ridiculous rule, it would only serve to make the game's authorities look silly in a very high profile and embarrassing fashion that in itself could force change. I very much doubt we'd be outside the National league for very long and the only thing it would really do is to buy the directors a bit more time to plan the huge changes needed to make an EFL stadium for the future. A few fickle fans might bugger off for a while but the core support would remain and we'd soon bounce back. A very interesting blog that answers a lot of the questions we've all been asking. Clearly the emphasis for the directors is trying to raise the finance for a very expensive and large stand at the town end. That's going to be their biggest challenge yet I'd suggest. |
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Post by cheshiregrandad on Nov 20, 2017 19:49:43 GMT
If we were to be regulated because of the NL's rules we would lose our best players who are ambitious to play in the FL and, despite how loyal Jay is to the Club, he would be offered opportunities he could not turn down.
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Post by Benny on Nov 20, 2017 19:52:39 GMT
Sounds like we need another local business person to match Oliver and Terry's investment in exchange for a third of the club. This is not a poor area and there must be someone along those lines who would like to get involved. I noticed a meeting at K Sports where a lot of local businesses were involved. They also have a 3G pitch if it were ever needed, not to mention acres of land if we ever outgrow this stadium. Just a thought.
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Post by headstone on Nov 20, 2017 21:32:19 GMT
Well the West Ham directors may be at a loose end soon....
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Post by southwick1 on Nov 20, 2017 21:58:20 GMT
What’s certain is the 3G is staying no matter what happens.It also looks that not getting the ground improvements financed or building started by the seasons end could funnily enough save us from relegation if we turn down promotion and claim it’s all about the ground improvements and not the pitch.
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Post by jdl on Nov 20, 2017 22:20:50 GMT
We won't be playing in the Isthmian next season. This rule is plainly ridiculous and would never stand up in court.
However, the 3G ban is a real problem. I can see the EFL changing their minds, and soon - but probably not soon enough for next season. And, even leaving aside our likelihood of getting promoted, with Bromley and Sutton also doing well, the chances are very high that this issue will still come up. The EFL could, of course, simply say 'no' to these clubs for that season, as they did to several Conference clubs in the 90s (and they have every right to do this) - or they could simply make a special dispensation to allow a 3G club in one season early.
Either way, I think that's the worse result we can get - and, in itself, won't stop us (or Bromley or Sutton) going for promotion.
Much more worrying is the financial situation. We tend to rather take it for granted that Oliver and Terry will just put their hands in their pockets and somehow make the new Super Town End happen - and I'm sure they would like to, if they can. But asking them to spend another £2m of their own money, which they probably won't see again, and which is on top of the millions already pumped into the club, is a hell of a lot to expect.
If I were Oliver or Terry and saw us win promotion this season, but then be denied it because of the 3G silliness, I would be angry and disappointed and language may be used - but I'd also be quite relieved that I'd got another year or two to get the expansion financing sorted out!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 23:27:58 GMT
We won't be playing in the Isthmian South next season. This rule is plainly ridiculous and would never stand up in court. However, the 3G ban is a real problem. I can see the EFL changing their minds, and soon - but probably not soon enough for next season. And, even leaving aside our likelihood of getting promoted, with Bromley and Sutton also doing well, the chances are very high that this issue will still come up. The EFL could, of course, simply say 'no' to these clubs for that season, as they did to several Conference clubs in the 90s (and they have every right to do this) - or they could simply make a special dispensation to allow a 3G club in one season early. Either way, I think that's the worse result we can get - and, in itself, won't stop us (or Bromley or Sutton) going for promotion. Much more worrying is the financial situation. We tend to rather take it for granted that Oliver and Terry will just put their hands in their pockets and somehow make the new Super Town End happen - and I'm sure they would like to, if they can. But asking them to spend another £2m of their own money, which they probably won't see again, and which is on top of the millions already pumped into the club, is a hell of a lot to expect. If I were Oliver or Terry and saw us win promotion this season, but then be denied it because of the 3G silliness, I would be angry and disappointed and language may be used - but I'd also be quite relieved that I'd got another year or two to get the expansion financing sorted out! I think we can indeed certainly say we won't be playing in Isthmian South, JDL - you're right about that! Even the National League wouldn't impose a quadruple relegation. Anyhow we know what you meant... I don't know how wealthy Oliver and Terry are but they've invested literally millions and, unless they have a few more million quid lying around, they may well want to draw a line under their own financial input. As you say, we could do with a third major investor and I am sure the directors are on the look out for one through business networks. Fingers crossed that we find one soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 12:04:50 GMT
We won't be playing in the Isthmian South next season. This rule is plainly ridiculous and would never stand up in court. However, the 3G ban is a real problem. I can see the EFL changing their minds, and soon - but probably not soon enough for next season. And, even leaving aside our likelihood of getting promoted, with Bromley and Sutton also doing well, the chances are very high that this issue will still come up. The EFL could, of course, simply say 'no' to these clubs for that season, as they did to several Conference clubs in the 90s (and they have every right to do this) - or they could simply make a special dispensation to allow a 3G club in one season early. Either way, I think that's the worse result we can get - and, in itself, won't stop us (or Bromley or Sutton) going for promotion. Much more worrying is the financial situation. We tend to rather take it for granted that Oliver and Terry will just put their hands in their pockets and somehow make the new Super Town End happen - and I'm sure they would like to, if they can. But asking them to spend another £2m of their own money, which they probably won't see again, and which is on top of the millions already pumped into the club, is a hell of a lot to expect. If I were Oliver or Terry and saw us win promotion this season, but then be denied it because of the 3G silliness, I would be angry and disappointed and language may be used - but I'd also be quite relieved that I'd got another year or two to get the expansion financing sorted out! I think we can indeed certainly say we won't be playing in Isthmian South, JDL - you're right about that! Even the National League wouldn't impose a quadruple relegation. Anyhow we know what you meant... I don't know how wealthy Oliver and Terry are but they've invested literally millions and, unless they have a few more million quid lying around, they may well want to draw a line under their own financial input. As you say, we could do with a third major investor and I am sure the directors are on the look out for one through business networks. Fingers crossed that we find one soon. I see you modified your original post JDL to remove the word 'South' but just to be clear, when they talk about a double 'relegation' they actually count being relegated from the EFL as one of those, so we would go down to National league South, not the Isthmian (Bostik) league |
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Post by goingup on Nov 21, 2017 19:35:57 GMT
Remember there is an added penalty - its not just a double relegation, but we are also ineligible for promotion from the National South to the National unless we switch back to grass.
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Post by daveu on Nov 22, 2017 9:19:01 GMT
Remember there is an added penalty - its not just a double relegation, but we are also ineligible for promotion from the National South to the National unless we switch back to grass. Which would have no chance of withstanding a legal challenge if the EFL have accepted 3G by then. |
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Post by daveu on Nov 22, 2017 9:21:15 GMT
Remember there is an added penalty - its not just a double relegation, but we are also ineligible for promotion from the National South to the National unless we switch back to grass. Which would have no chance of withstanding a legal challenge if the EFL have accepted 3G by then. Besides, with the tightness of the timescales for getting everything in place to get the ground up to EFL standard, the prospect of having to refuse promotion grows ever more unlikely. |
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Post by Ant on Nov 22, 2017 11:05:51 GMT
All it will take for the rule to he overturned is for us/Sutton/Bromley to be in a position close to promotion come the business end of the season and say (publicly) that they're better off losing games and making a mockery of the league as a competition.
By the way, I like the club crest on the blog.
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Post by Benny on Dec 1, 2017 4:33:11 GMT
Stadium plans to be unveiled in January.
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