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Post by jdl on Nov 12, 2017 21:00:41 GMT
I've just reread the rules - not only are we relegated if we don't lay a grass pitch, but we're also not allowed to be promoted to the National League again until we have a grass pitch in place. It would seem to me to be crazy for us to finish the season with promotion as the rules currently stand - its a no brainer that we must "fail". What's the situation with Bromley and Sutton? Are they as committed to 3G as us? Would they take grass back if promoted? I can ALMOST envisage a situation whereby 2 of the 3 teams are in a play off final and as soon as the game starts, switching around and attacking their own goals - the game might finish 31-31 (because no goalkeepers able to use their hands to keep the ball out) and go to penalties which will go on forever as the score remains at 0-0 as neither team are prepared to put the ball in the net! Remember, you heard it here first There was a game in Ireland years ago, where one side realised that, because of some bizarre rule change (I think), they'd actually do better if they lost, so they started attacking their own goal. The other side were bemused at first, and then the penny dropped, and they realised they'd be better off losing too - so they started to attack their own goal! I haven't made this up!
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Post by davec on Nov 13, 2017 7:55:10 GMT
Given the current rules regarding doing too well with 3G pitches resulting in the punishment of relegation, does anyone else think that we should start throwing matches towards the end of the season if we are still up near the top to avoid being relegated? I don't mean anything officially spoken of or orchestrated of course, that would have the danger of coming out and resulting in a worse punishment. But maybe a few of the players would have the common sense to miss a few tackles, be second to the ball, forget to mark someone, be a bit slow blocking that shot, accidentally put through their own net once or twice, or blaze that shot at an open goal high over the bar. There would plenty of opportunities to manipulate league results in our opponents favour to lower our league position before it was too late to avoid the worse fate of being relegated for the crime of doing too well whilst having a 3G pitch (I don't say doing to well ON a 3G pitch, because we seem to play better away from it at the moment). I'd rather that we were cleverly fraudulent, than virtuously stupid in 'doing the right thing' and getting relegated for our honesty.
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Post by davec on Nov 13, 2017 7:57:20 GMT
What you are suggesting there for me is the death of football I don't for one moment think the Directors would even discuss this If the rules are stupid you lobby for change not throw matches
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Post by Bernie on Nov 13, 2017 16:30:11 GMT
It is the manager's job to get the best possible results from his players. It is the owner's job to provide the stadium and infrastructure for whatever level is achieved. The owners have already stated their aim is the Football League. If it was not, they would not have allowed the current calibre of players to be signed. I would be happy bobbling around the non-leagues, but that is not the current destination.
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Post by liburd on Nov 13, 2017 17:36:12 GMT
Hypothetical scenario - we get to a playoff final. If we win, we get relegated and might be prevented from being promoted back up. If we lose, we stay in the NL the following season.
Seems to me there are three options here. Play to win and risk the worst, go against every instinct of a professional sports team and throw the game, or (my preferred option) walk off the pitch in protest at the farcical position everyone has been forced into. At least that's honest, and it might draw some attention to the situation and get it resolved.
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Post by Scot Stone on Nov 13, 2017 18:07:15 GMT
There was a game in Ireland years ago, where one side realised that, because of some bizarre rule change (I think), they'd actually do better if they lost, so they started attacking their own goal. The other side were bemused at first, and then the penny dropped, and they realised they'd be better off losing too - so they started to attack their own goal! I haven't made this up! I remember reading about it at the time: All matches had to produce a winner. If needed:- Extra Time was a golden goal period in which such a goal would count double A Penalty shoot-out win would count as a single goal Barbados had to win by 2 clear goals to progress at Grenada's expense. Barbados were leading by 2-1 as the game headed towards its 90th minute ... Barbados v Grenada (1994 Caribbean Cup qualifying group)
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Post by madeinstone70 on Nov 13, 2017 20:31:01 GMT
Hypothetical scenario - we get to a playoff final. If we win, we get relegated and might be prevented from being promoted back up. If we lose, we stay in the NL the following season. Seems to me there are three options here. Play to win and risk the worst, go against every instinct of a professional sports team and throw the game, or (my preferred option) walk off the pitch in protest at the farcical position everyone has been forced into. At least that's honest, and it might draw some attention to the situation and get it resolved. Or option 4, rip up the pitch and get some fuckin grass!!
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Post by liburd on Nov 13, 2017 20:48:46 GMT
Hypothetical scenario - we get to a playoff final. If we win, we get relegated and might be prevented from being promoted back up. If we lose, we stay in the NL the following season. Seems to me there are three options here. Play to win and risk the worst, go against every instinct of a professional sports team and throw the game, or (my preferred option) walk off the pitch in protest at the farcical position everyone has been forced into. At least that's honest, and it might draw some attention to the situation and get it resolved. Or option 4, rip up the pitch and get some fuckin grass!! *sigh* Yes, why has nobody thought of that before...
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Post by philosopherstone on Nov 13, 2017 21:30:54 GMT
Or option 4, rip up the pitch and get some fuckin grass!! *sigh* Yes, why has nobody thought of that before... Because it throws the whole business plan out of the window to appease a stupid rule.
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Post by jdl on Nov 13, 2017 21:49:17 GMT
There was a game in Ireland years ago, where one side realised that, because of some bizarre rule change (I think), they'd actually do better if they lost, so they started attacking their own goal. The other side were bemused at first, and then the penny dropped, and they realised they'd be better off losing too - so they started to attack their own goal! I haven't made this up! I remember reading about it at the time: All matches had to produce a winner. If needed:- Extra Time was a golden goal period in which such a goal would count double A Penalty shoot-out win would count as a single goal Barbados had to win by 2 clear goals to progress at Grenada's expense. Barbados were leading by 2-1 as the game headed towards its 90th minute ... Barbados v Grenada (1994 Caribbean Cup qualifying group)I'm pretty sure the game I'm talking about was an Irish one though - but my memory is hardly the most reliable...
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Post by nws on Nov 14, 2017 7:30:03 GMT
*sigh* Yes, why has nobody thought of that before... Because it throws the whole business plan out of the window to appease a stupid rule. Yes. Let us lose income streams to play in a league that is constantly shown to be little better than the one we are in. It would be oh so much better to start experiencing postponed matches and lose our pitch income and constant matches at the Gallagher to play Cheltenham Town etc every week.
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Post by goingup on Nov 14, 2017 13:50:01 GMT
Because it throws the whole business plan out of the window to appease a stupid rule. Yes. Let us lose income streams to play in a league that is constantly shown to be little better than the one we are in. It would be oh so much better to start experiencing postponed matches and lose our pitch income and constant matches at the Gallagher to play Cheltenham Town etc every week. Unfortunately, google hasn't helped m find it Nearest I could find was this: bleacherreport.com/articles/2247340-5-own-goals-scored-in-the-same-match-as-both-teams-try-to-lose
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Post by jdl on Nov 14, 2017 22:54:19 GMT
That's sort of match fixing, surely? The NL would have a fit!
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Post by jdl on Nov 14, 2017 22:58:35 GMT
"and constant matches at the Gallagher to play Cheltenham Town etc every week"
Odd that nws is concerned about home games or the JWW - but surely, we'd play exactly the same number of league home games as we do now?
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Post by nws on Nov 15, 2017 23:52:59 GMT
"and constant matches at the Gallagher to play Cheltenham Town etc every week" Odd that nws is concerned about home games or the JWW - but surely, we'd play exactly the same number of league home games as we do now? Not really odd given that I raised money towards the JWW when you weren't interested. The constant games I referred to were the many games that go on throughout the week and help raise money for the club.
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