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Post by MFCSTONE on Nov 21, 2016 8:10:30 GMT
The simple answer is bring back micky Philips n danny lye in midfield
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Post by pmh on Nov 21, 2016 15:40:57 GMT
Not totally embarrassing as the investment into the team and management has not been vast .
Compared to others TEAM budgets we are probably below half way .
We are totally outclassed at this level as we have a conference south strength team with the addition of a couple of aging journey man .
Worgs
seth
lokko
BjT
Loza
two will move on any way I'd imagine
Ditch the rest if we go down .
Ditch the rest if we want to try and stay up again.
The manager will need a much better budget to compete .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 15:55:29 GMT
I would add Flish to that list but he has to stay off the pies. He definitely has the talent, heart and consistency to play at this level but his battle is all about fitness. Apart from him I have to say your list is fair, and Jay's comments in Kent Online suggest he thinks pretty much along the same lines.
I did say previously that Sweeney and Paxman have talent but I'd send them off on loan as well if we can find replacements, to see if they develop. They could do with another season in the division below, really.
If any of the players not on that shortlist read this, and I suspect some of them do, and it pi**es them off that fans think like this, they need to step up to the plate and prove us wrong. You will always be judged by what you do on the pitch and at the moment it's way off good enough.
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Post by Raymondo316 on Nov 21, 2016 16:31:47 GMT
I doubt Loza and Twumasi will even be here past January...so we cant count on them in our future plans
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Post by Nick on Nov 21, 2016 17:07:14 GMT
pmh's critique is as harsh as ever, but not a million miles away from reality.
fact is without going full time the existing players and the team itself are not on a level playing field compared to other clubs
full time contracts would seriously help some of the players reach the level required.
also would be a big help with recruitment
no reason to believe Jay can strengthen the team if all he can sign are part timers from lower leagues or players from the National League who are 'surplus to requirements'
Bill has hinted about the possibility of some players going full time next season, let's hope we can hang on till then
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Post by senna34165 on Nov 21, 2016 17:38:13 GMT
pmh's critique is as harsh as ever, but not a million miles away from reality. fact is without going full time the existing players and the team itself are not on a level playing field compared to other clubs full time contracts would seriously help some of the players reach the level required. also would be a big help with recruitment no reason to believe Jay can strengthen the team if all he can sign are part timers from lower leagues or players from the National League who are 'surplus to requirements' Bill has hinted about the possibility of some players going full time next season, let's hope we can hang on till then Full time not just the clubs decision? Those with careers have a big decision, and arguably gamble, to make |
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Post by Raymondo316 on Nov 21, 2016 17:42:15 GMT
pmh's critique is as harsh as ever, but not a million miles away from reality. fact is without going full time the existing players and the team itself are not on a level playing field compared to other clubs full time contracts would seriously help some of the players reach the level required. also would be a big help with recruitment no reason to believe Jay can strengthen the team if all he can sign are part timers from lower leagues or players from the National League who are 'surplus to requirements' Bill has hinted about the possibility of some players going full time next season, let's hope we can hang on till then Full time not just the clubs decision? Those with careers have a big decision, and arguably gamble, to make I think its safe to say if we go full time most of our current players will be gone. |
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Post by moley on Nov 21, 2016 18:11:14 GMT
Full time not just the clubs decision? Those with careers have a big decision, and arguably gamble, to make I think its safe to say if we go full time most of our current players will be gone. Yes, and until we are we are in the position to pay much more than we are now they will only be replaced by the very worst full timers. At least at the moment we can attract both part timers who we can afford and full timers who are happy with our budget for the moment (e.g Seth, Jamar). Go full time with the current budget and we cut our pool of potential players both in quality and quantity |
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Post by daveu on Nov 21, 2016 18:19:49 GMT
I think its safe to say if we go full time most of our current players will be gone. Yes, and until we are we are in the position to pay much more than we are now they will only be replaced by the very worst full timers. At least at the moment we can attract both part timers who we can afford and full timers who are happy with our budget for the moment (e.g Seth, Jamar). Go full time with the current budget and we cut our pool of potential players both in quality and quantity No reason why everyone has to go full time. I imagine we'll start off with just a few key players maybe on higher wages with the majority still part time and will build up to being full time over a longer period. |
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Post by moley on Nov 21, 2016 19:03:59 GMT
Yes, and until we are we are in the position to pay much more than we are now they will only be replaced by the very worst full timers. At least at the moment we can attract both part timers who we can afford and full timers who are happy with our budget for the moment (e.g Seth, Jamar). Go full time with the current budget and we cut our pool of potential players both in quality and quantity No reason why everyone has to go full time. I imagine we'll start off with just a few key players maybe on higher wages with the majority still part time and will build up to being full time over a longer period. #missingthepoint The big advantage to going full time will be the ability to spend more time coaching, organising tactically, preparing for opposition weak points and generally working together, If a sizeable amount of the squad isn't there because they are at work where is the advantage? All I think is, that within current budget constraints we can get much better quality by being part time, full time football will have to wait for much more money being available to spend on he team, and that won't be any time soon. |
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Post by daveu on Nov 21, 2016 19:14:23 GMT
No reason why everyone has to go full time. I imagine we'll start off with just a few key players maybe on higher wages with the majority still part time and will build up to being full time over a longer period. #missingthepoint The big advantage to going full time will be the ability to spend more time coaching, organising tactically, preparing for opposition weak points and generally working together, If a sizeable amount of the squad isn't there because they are at work where is the advantage? All I think is, that within current budget constraints we can get much better quality by being part time, full time football will have to wait for much more money being available to spend on he team, and that won't be any time soon. #notmissingthepointatall I'm fully aware of the constraints of not everyone being full time, but surely the addition of full time players in key positions can help the others. |
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Post by moley on Nov 21, 2016 20:36:07 GMT
Perhaps some fitness gains, but whilst you can fit a couple of full timers into a part time structure the reverse is not true. And you can't stretch your wage structure too far to accommodate paying a couple of players much more than the others
It has to be an all or nothing approach, I would like an example of how it has worked otherwise? It even appears Seth has other employment to supplant his football income at present, even though he goes to a full time club in January.
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Post by pmh on Nov 21, 2016 20:51:44 GMT
I would add Flish to that list but he has to stay off the pies. He definitely has the talent, heart and consistency to play at this level but his battle is all about fitness. Apart from him I have to say your list is fair, and Jay's comments in Kent Online suggest he thinks pretty much along the same lines. I did say previously that Sweeney and Paxman have talent but I'd send them off on loan as well if we can find replacements, to see if they develop. They could do with another season in the division below, really. If any of the players not on that shortlist read this, and I suspect some of them do, and it pi**es them off that fans think like this, they need to step up to the plate and prove us wrong. You will always be judged by what you do on the pitch and at the moment it's way off good enough. Very hard to leave Flish out as I'd say him and worgs truly love the club and fans ...but post injury the consistency for what ever reason has not been there often enough . I'd probably keep as a squad player. |
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Post by Nick on Nov 21, 2016 21:55:31 GMT
No reason why everyone has to go full time. I imagine we'll start off with just a few key players maybe on higher wages with the majority still part time and will build up to being full time over a longer period. #missingthepoint The big advantage to going full time will be the ability to spend more time coaching, organising tactically, preparing for opposition weak points and generally working together, If a sizeable amount of the squad isn't there because they are at work where is the advantage? All I think is, that within current budget constraints we can get much better quality by being part time, full time football will have to wait for much more money being available to spend on he team, and that won't be any time soon. the club produce a pretty decent operating profit at present that could be diverted to the wages bill, post stadium development I think that plenty of our players would love the opportunity there are shades of full time (4/5 half days) and in any case the level of commitment still allows for some extra employment time do you really think that Jay would turn down the opportunity to manage a full time team ? all down to the owners and the business plan, but as long as we stay up, I reckon it will happen sooner rather than later |
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Post by northkentstone on Nov 21, 2016 22:16:13 GMT
You cant have half a squad full time and other half part time how would they benefit from that? No logic at all.
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