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Post by preciousstone on Mar 23, 2014 6:46:26 GMT
Harry - Unfortunately, the fact that clubs with much lower average gates than ours are full-time, does not mean we can afford to go full-time. Just do the maths: Assume av attendance at 1,800, assume average ticket £10 - av income per home game = £18,000. 23 homes games = average annual gate income of £414,000. Assume average player salary of £30,000 - we can afford just under 14 players. I've ignored other sources of income, but then I've also ignored ALL other costs. In reality, even with all sources of income taken into account, it is unlikely that we'd be able to afford even half a (small) full-time squad. So any club with our sort of gates (or less), is having to fund their full time squads by other means - which almost certainly means building up debt. I would guess that only the top 4 clubs in your list can actually fund their full-time squad from income alone. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if only Luton can really afford it. The other clubs are running up debts on the assumption that being full-time will eventually get them promoted, and get the crowds in, and enable them to pay the debt off - i.e. cloud cuckoo land. We've been there - do you seriously want to go there again? I reckon no way £10 pr person average. Loads of concessions, kids and also theres the VAT. Average NET income more like £6 per person . Much less to play with.
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Post by pmh on Mar 23, 2014 12:09:24 GMT
Learn to read!!!! Past achievements have nothing to do with the assessment. Take the last 3 months into account, which is more of an assessment of CURRENT form, and eat your words! Who's stupid now?!!! You.! I doubt you would recognize quality if it poked you in the eye Parkinson won the Conference South with Welling,and then did very well at Woking which in case you didnt know,are in in the league above that,They didn't want him to go. Collin a former Golden Boot winner in the CS. Please do not apply for Talent spotter.
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Post by knobby on Mar 23, 2014 17:29:33 GMT
Of the recent regular starting line-up, there are quite a few players who could/would be successful at player one tier higher for certain: Worgan - Yes Cox - Yes Sobers - Possibly Andrews - Not Likely Mill - Yes, but in his more usual position as left back Parkinson - Possibly in a holding midfield role, but not as a centre back Rooney - Yes Brown - Yes Flisher - Yes Atwood - Yes Collin - Possibly Their likely success is viewed on their current levels of fitness and skills. Undoubtedly, many of the more experienced players have played at that level or higher, but not at the standard that they are currently displaying. Rooney has already proved that with his recent move to Barnett. A fit Phillips would also do well against teams in that League I have not seen enough of Hughes-Mason to make a judgement, but he has just moved from that level, so should be able to make a useful contribution in that company
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Post by knobby on Mar 23, 2014 17:32:07 GMT
Of the recent regular starting line-up, there are quite a few players who could/would be successful at player one tier higher for certain: Worgan - Yes Cox - Yes Sobers - Possibly Andrews - Not Likely Mill - Yes, but in his more usual position as left back Parkinson - Possibly in a holding midfield role, but not as a centre back Rooney - Yes Brown - Yes Flisher - Yes Atwood - Yes Collin - Possibly Their likely success is viewed on their current levels of fitness and skills. Undoubtedly, many of the more experienced players have played at that level or higher, but not at the standard that they are currently displaying. Rooney has already proved that with his recent move to Barnett. A fit Phillips would also do well against teams in that League I have not seen enough of Hughes-Mason to make a judgement, but he has just moved from that level, so should be able to make a useful contribution in that company
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Post by knobby on Mar 23, 2014 17:37:41 GMT
What about Jay at the next level?
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Post by ontheup on Mar 23, 2014 17:47:51 GMT
What about Jay at the next level? It's a good question to be fair and if you look at Darren Freeman at Whitehawk the jump was clearly too much. However, until we got there we wouldn't know, and if Jay is the man to get us there (which I think he is) then he would of course be offered the chance. As I've said before, at this level a huge part of management is to do with "connections" and "contacts" as well as money. Which is why Margate will come good.
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Post by lucky1969 on Mar 23, 2014 20:41:46 GMT
Learn to read!!!! Past achievements have nothing to do with the assessment. Take the last 3 months into account, which is more of an assessment of CURRENT form, and eat your words! Who's stupid now?!!! You.! I doubt you would recognize quality if it poked you in the eye Parkinson won the Conference South with Welling,and then did very well at Woking which in case you didnt know,are in in the league above that,They didn't want him to go. Collin a former Golden Boot winner in the CS. Please do not apply for Talent spotter.
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Post by lucky1969 on Mar 23, 2014 21:09:05 GMT
Pmh, you either still have an inability to read or cannot work out that PAST achievements and CURRENT performance do not exist in the same space!
Based upon your assessment, it is a shame that Rivaldo has recently announced that he has hung up his boots, otherwise there might be a clambering for his inclusion in the Brazilian World Cup squad based upon him formerly having been a renowned player of some considerable skill and having been a former World Cup winner!
I would be happy to eat my words if these two players exhibit the influence that you clearly believe they are capable of delivering between now and the end of the season, as that might just have an influence on whether the season peters out disappointingly or we return to winning ways!
It will be interesting to see which one of us is right!
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Post by jdl on Mar 23, 2014 23:10:43 GMT
Harry - Unfortunately, the fact that clubs with much lower average gates than ours are full-time, does not mean we can afford to go full-time. Just do the maths: Assume av attendance at 1,800, assume average ticket £10 - av income per home game = £18,000. 23 homes games = average annual gate income of £414,000. Assume average player salary of £30,000 - we can afford just under 14 players. I've ignored other sources of income, but then I've also ignored ALL other costs. In reality, even with all sources of income taken into account, it is unlikely that we'd be able to afford even half a (small) full-time squad. So any club with our sort of gates (or less), is having to fund their full time squads by other means - which almost certainly means building up debt. I would guess that only the top 4 clubs in your list can actually fund their full-time squad from income alone. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if only Luton can really afford it. The other clubs are running up debts on the assumption that being full-time will eventually get them promoted, and get the crowds in, and enable them to pay the debt off - i.e. cloud cuckoo land. We've been there - do you seriously want to go there again? I reckon no way £10 pr person average. Loads of concessions, kids and also theres the VAT. Average NET income more like £6 per person . Much less to play with. Quite agree. I was deliberately erring on the optimistic side to 'prove' my point. If we can't afford to go full-time with £10 average admission, and no other costs except players' wages, we certainly can't afford to do it in the real world! Clubs that are full-time on gates of (say) less than 5,000 average either have a sugar daddy or are racking up huge debts (and the same is probably true for a lot of clubs above 5,000 average gates).
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Post by jdl on Mar 23, 2014 23:18:29 GMT
In fact I've often wondered how the Gills manage to balance their books. Their average gate can only be somewhere between 5 and 6 thousand - i.e. only three times ours. I don't know what they charge to get in these days, but I'd guess it isn't vastly more than us, and they won't get much TV money, So I would guess their income from games isn't much more than 4 or 5 times ours - and that probably is only just enough to run a full-time team in a national league. It certainly wouldn't allow them much of a budget for buying players.
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Post by tim on Mar 24, 2014 9:53:36 GMT
Pmh, you either still have an inability to read or cannot work out that PAST achievements and CURRENT performance do not exist in the same space! Based upon your assessment, it is a shame that Rivaldo has recently announced that he has hung up his boots, otherwise there might be a clambering for his inclusion in the Brazilian World Cup squad based upon him formerly having been a renowned player of some considerable skill and having been a former World Cup winner! I would be happy to eat my words if these two players exhibit the influence that you clearly believe they are capable of delivering between now and the end of the season, as that might just have an influence on whether the season peters out disappointingly or we return to winning ways! It will be interesting to see which one of us is right! As the saying goes 'Form is temporary class is permanent' The last time I looked he's still our top scorer and as pmh has pointed out was a bit successful a level up! Maybe he hadn't had the service recently or hadn't played a system that suits him or just out of form? If we go up and discard him I'd say that would be pretty stupid!
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Post by lucky1969 on Mar 24, 2014 12:46:46 GMT
I don't recall the issue of discarding anyone being raised as part of the initial thread!
I would be the happiest supporter if every single one of our players could perform to their former/previous/best level of 'class', but it does not mean that a comment on current form is invalid!
Maybe someone wants to start a thread about who has been the classiest ever player to represent the Club and then, maybe if he is still playing, call for his return to the Club.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 13:19:06 GMT
To get in before Daveu, it's how conversations evolve.
However, if you don't think certain players are good enough for the next level, why wouldn't you think they should be discarded if and when we get there?
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Post by tim on Mar 24, 2014 13:54:39 GMT
Thank you Ant, that would have been a point I would have made (I think) Just a little bit surprised that our top scorer and a man who has scored regularly in the division we aspire to get to, is considered not good enough based on his recent form? Can't quite get my head around that logic!
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Post by lucky1969 on Mar 24, 2014 14:16:53 GMT
I also don't recall a 'No' being registered against the said player, but a 'possibly'.
Clearly a return to form and the prolific goal scoring that you believe is still 'within the locker' would never preclude such a talent being used with success.
The return to such form cannot come soon enough!
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