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Post by lucky1969 on Mar 20, 2014 15:53:34 GMT
Of the recent regular starting line-up, there are quite a few players who could/would be successful at player one tier higher for certain:
Worgan - Yes
Cox - Yes
Sobers - Possibly
Andrews - Not Likely
Mill - Yes, but in his more usual position as left back
Parkinson - Possibly in a holding midfield role, but not as a centre back
Rooney - Yes
Brown - Yes
Flisher - Yes
Atwood - Yes
Collin - Possibly
Their likely success is viewed on their current levels of fitness and skills. Undoubtedly, many of the more experienced players have played at that level or higher, but not at the standard that they are currently displaying.
Rooney has already proved that with his recent move to Barnett. A fit Phillips would also do well against teams in that League
I have not seen enough of Hughes-Mason to make a judgement, but he has just moved from that level, so should be able to make a useful contribution in that company
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Post by southwick1 on Mar 20, 2014 16:03:00 GMT
Worgan,Cox,Flisher,Atwood and Collin.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Mar 20, 2014 16:28:17 GMT
Of the recent regular starting line-up, there are quite a few players who could/would be successful at player one tier higher for certain: Worgan - Yes Cox - Yes Sobers - Possibly Andrews - Not Likely Mill - Yes, but in his more usual position as left back Parkinson - Possibly in a holding midfield role, but not as a centre back Rooney - Yes Brown - Yes Flisher - Yes Atwood - Yes Collin - Possibly Their likely success is viewed on their current levels of fitness and skills. Undoubtedly, many of the more experienced players have played at that level or higher, but not at the standard that they are currently displaying. Rooney has already proved that with his recent move to Barnett. A fit Phillips would also do well against teams in that League I have not seen enough of Hughes-Mason to make a judgement, but he has just moved from that level, so should be able to make a useful contribution in that company Agree! So what you are saying is this team is seriously underperforming at the moment. |
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Post by butlerisalegend on Mar 20, 2014 16:30:26 GMT
Collin - Possibly? Are you for real? He is a quality player and has already prooved himself in the league above!
Sobers? Definitely a No. Not good enough.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Mar 20, 2014 16:37:05 GMT
Collin - Possibly? Are you for real? He is a quality player and has already prooved himself in the league above! Sobers? Definitely a No. Not good enough. So you are saying we need at least 2 new central defenders , an attacking midfielder & ........ |
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Post by butlerisalegend on Mar 20, 2014 16:46:41 GMT
What point are you attempting to make Sennockian? I think we have the basis of a very good team as our cup results against higher league opposition would testify. Centre of defence lacking Watt is a major weakness. Also squad depth needs to be increased if at all possible as 2 strikers not enough (not totally convinced by Harris yet and another step up may prove too much)
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Post by Sennockian69 on Mar 20, 2014 16:59:29 GMT
What point are you attempting to make Sennockian? I think we have the basis of a very good team as our cup results against higher league opposition would testify. Centre of defence lacking Watt is a major weakness. Also squad depth needs to be increased if at all possible as 2 strikers not enough (not totally convinced by Harris yet and another step up may prove too much) My point is that these last 4 away defeats have exposed all our weaknesses. Centre of defense , lack a squad depth & now that Luke Rooney has left no attacking midfield options. ( & Others which are lack of leadership in key areas on the pitch). My point is if by some good fortune we still came in the top 5 and were allowed to play in the playoffs this team wouldn't win the first game as it's an away match. If we are to play in the Ryman Premier next season & wanted to achieve promotion changes will need to be made.  |
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Post by nigelgm on Mar 20, 2014 17:14:03 GMT
Worgan,Cox,Flisher,Atwood
No Alex Brown hes gone missing big time
Frannie first half season yes , second half no.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 17:21:43 GMT
Of the recent regular starting line-up, there are quite a few players who could/would be successful at player one tier higher for certain: Worgan - Yes Cox - Yes Sobers - Possibly Andrews - Not Likely Mill - Yes, but in his more usual position as left back Parkinson - Possibly in a holding midfield role, but not as a centre back Rooney - Yes Brown - Yes Flisher - Yes Atwood - Yes Collin - Possibly Their likely success is viewed on their current levels of fitness and skills. Undoubtedly, many of the more experienced players have played at that level or higher, but not at the standard that they are currently displaying. Rooney has already proved that with his recent move to Barnett. A fit Phillips would also do well against teams in that League I have not seen enough of Hughes-Mason to make a judgement, but he has just moved from that level, so should be able to make a useful contribution in that company Agree! So what you are saying is this team is seriously underperforming at the moment. Right, so you agree most could play at the level above? The reality is our players are good enough for this level but would never be good enough for the next level. Or you don't? |
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Post by lucky1969 on Mar 20, 2014 18:50:16 GMT
Agree entirely. 2-3 personnel changes in the current exposed areas would make a massive difference. Replacing Rooney's quality would be difficult, but a solid central defence pairing and an effective provider of quality service to the strikers would, in my opinion, improve the results significantly! Particularly against those less cultured teams at the bottom struggling for survival
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Post by harryhaddock on Mar 20, 2014 20:25:39 GMT
When we say good enough, I still think you have the best chance in the Conference South with a full time team as per Eastleigh this year or Salisbury the year before.
Putting that to one side, if we were staying semi pro and based on a 22 man squad 2 players per position, we'd have a fair few gaps to fill. 8 new faces definitely plus another 4 potentially.
GK Worgan
Gk ?
RB Cox
RB Davies?
LB Mills
LB ?
CB Watt (if fit)
CB J. Parkinson
CB ?
CB ?
RM Hughes-Mason?
RM Smith?
LM Flisher
LM Robertson?
CM Phillips (if fit)
CM Brown
CM ?
CM ?
SC Collin
SC Attwood
SC ?
SC ?
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Post by jdl on Mar 20, 2014 20:50:03 GMT
If we go full-time, we have to able to pay all players more money than they get for work+football.
Any player with a mortgage and/or a family and/or a decent paying job isn't likely to turn pro at the money we could afford.
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Post by harryhaddock on Mar 20, 2014 21:01:36 GMT
If we go full-time, we have to able to pay all players more money than they get for work+football. Any player with a mortgage and/or a family and/or a decent paying job isn't likely to turn pro at the money we could afford. I think you'd find we could afford as much as Eastleigh or Salisbury as we get double the attendances they get/got in the Conference South. Their players were good enough. We'd likely have a big change of players if we turned pro, but there are lots of players who will accept 25-30k a year to play full time in their 20's. |
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Post by ontheup on Mar 20, 2014 21:02:00 GMT
I don't mean to rain on the parade but don't we have some bigger hurdles to overcome before deciding to go pro, or what player would be good enough for the league above?
Fact is, Eastleigh will likely win Conf South and we gave them a good run for their money.
Borehamwood are just above the relegation zone and we barely had a shot on goal.
So not sure we can really judge players on that.
And the likes of Eastleigh and Salisbury go against a lot of what our club stands for.
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Post by harryhaddock on Mar 20, 2014 22:05:13 GMT
I don't mean to rain on the parade but don't we have some bigger hurdles to overcome before deciding to go pro, or what player would be good enough for the league above? Fact is, Eastleigh will likely win Conf South and we gave them a good run for their money. Borehamwood are just above the relegation zone and we barely had a shot on goal. So not sure we can really judge players on that. And the likes of Eastleigh and Salisbury go against a lot of what our club stands for. Just a bit of fun looking forward OTU, agree we have some 3G and form challenges at the minute, but that shouldn't stop us dreaming of the future. The club is certainly already looking ahead with the desire to add a new 800 seat stand so why not the fans. Personally I don't think the professional status of the club makes a difference to what the clubs about and let's be honest with progression turning pro will eventually become necessity. I only mentioned it as I personally think it would give huge advantages around preparation in a league where we'd travel further. At the end of the day our crowds mean these things will be considered and as seen below if you take the 14 full time Conference Prem teams our average attendance tends to suggest its viable (plus none of these teams have our 3G income). 6903 Luton 3443 Grimsby 3120 Wrexham 3080 Cambridge 2342 Lincoln 2053 Kidderminster 1881 Aldershot 1801 MAIDSTONE 1750 Barnet 1659 Hereford 1510 Macclesfield 1159 Forest Green 964 Salisbury 963 Tamworth 720 Gateshead |
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