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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 17:37:47 GMT
The ground cost around £2.6m...and I'm sure they haven't made £600k profit just yet?
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Post by daveu on Mar 10, 2014 19:10:50 GMT
why don't Maidstone simply bite the bullet and say that if they gain promotion this year (unlikely as this looks at present) then they will agree to abide by the Conference rules. If this means installing a grass pitch in time for next season then so be it. I think that finishing in a play-off position this year but not being allowed to participate would have a detrimental impact on the club and could affect attendances and players next season as the same scenario could be repeated. As far as I am concerned promotion has to be the over-riding aim for the club otherwise it won't move forward. I expect there will be many disageements with this view but I think it's the best of a number of less than ideal options as it's difficult to see the Conference changing their rules by the time the play-offs come around in a few weeks time. Christ there's some idiots on this board sometimes. Why would the club commit suicide by completely throwing away the business plan.
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Post by toonarmy on Mar 10, 2014 19:18:07 GMT
why don't Maidstone simply bite the bullet and say that if they gain promotion this year (unlikely as this looks at present) then they will agree to abide by the Conference rules. If this means installing a grass pitch in time for next season then so be it. I think that finishing in a play-off position this year but not being allowed to participate would have a detrimental impact on the club and could affect attendances and players next season as the same scenario could be repeated. As far as I am concerned promotion has to be the over-riding aim for the club otherwise it won't move forward. I expect there will be many disageements with this view but I think it's the best of a number of less than ideal options as it's difficult to see the Conference changing their rules by the time the play-offs come around in a few weeks time. Christ there's some idiots on this board sometimes. Why would the club commit suicide by completely throwing away the business plan. I am staggered by your post Dave, it is simply ill informed and way off target, I think you meant to write there are load of idiots on this board and not some
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Post by trolley59 on Mar 10, 2014 20:00:12 GMT
To me its plain, that some people don't ever pay a visit to the Gallagher except on match days, if you nip down there on a Saturday morning and watch all those kids running around on our pitch, having a whale of a time, surely you just may get an idea what this is all about, watching the disability teams playing in a proper stadium instead of being shoved to the furthest point of mote park to deal with the Dog Shit and needles you may just get the idea, , school finals, Sunday and Saturday junior teams all getting the chance to play in a proper ground, soccer sixes, charity games, everybody in the community gets the chance to do their stuff, eventually things will change, if we have to bugger about in this league for a bit longer, then so be it, if you really feel that we should rip it up, I guess you just don't understand where we have been, what we have endured, and just how much it means to us to be back home
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Post by jt on Mar 10, 2014 20:28:01 GMT
Has someone else logged in as Trolley?
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Post by headstone on Mar 10, 2014 21:06:24 GMT
No, it's him, he hasn't got a shift key!
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Post by trolley59 on Mar 10, 2014 21:08:42 GMT
which button is that then
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Post by trolley59 on Mar 10, 2014 21:09:29 GMT
oh hang on
is it that one
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Post by jt on Mar 10, 2014 21:56:07 GMT
No, that was the tab key.
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Post by islandstone on Mar 10, 2014 21:58:10 GMT
That's the enter button.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 21:59:55 GMT
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Post by jdl on Mar 10, 2014 22:39:10 GMT
There's an ironic twist in this 3G business plan.
In order to fund the development of the ground and the installation of a 3G pitch, the club needs to make a lot more money than it can from just running a semi-pro football team. In fact with most small sized clubs, the semi-pro football side looses money (even at the gates we get - because expenses go up as well), so the rest of the business plan actually needs to more than cover its own expenses, as it also subsidises the semi-pro football operation.
In other words, the business would be better off without having to support the semi-pro side. It's a good job our directors and owners are MUFC fans, because financially they'd be better off ditching the first team and just running a stadium hire business.
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Post by ontheup on Mar 11, 2014 9:42:20 GMT
Hi Calais, I wasn't drawing on any particular evidence and I trust you are a lot more familiar with recent studies than myself. That said my main error in my statement was suggesting the studies were in comparison to near perfect grass when really I meant "not mud"
I suppose when trying to find research the internet provides so many different arguments and opinions that you can keep searching for an answer until you find the answer that suits.
What I find most frustrating is the clubs who train on 3G all week, rave about how good it is and then completely change their stance for 90 mins on matchday.
I liken it to a naughty little mistress clubs hide away in the background and turn to during the week in their hour of need.......only to completely disassociate themselves when saturday comes and settle for the more familiar/less scandalous option....returning to that mistress a few days later.
Only right now the mitress is starting to "talk" and a number of people are getting worried their cover is about to be blown.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 13:59:05 GMT
Hmmmm....well I expected my Post of yesterday to generate some reaction but I did hope that it would be more along the lines of "I think you wrong because.../can't agree with because...".
I have been involved in football for many years and have seen many changes in that time. I am old enough to remember seeing Stanley Matthews play (although I think he was around 50 at the time) so my comments were not made for the sake of being controversial.
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Post by ontheup on Mar 11, 2014 15:39:05 GMT
why don't Maidstone simply bite the bullet and say that if they gain promotion this year (unlikely as this looks at present) then they will agree to abide by the Conference rules. If this means installing a grass pitch in time for next season then so be it. I think that finishing in a play-off position this year but not being allowed to participate would have a detrimental impact on the club and could affect attendances and players next season as the same scenario could be repeated. As far as I am concerned promotion has to be the over-riding aim for the club otherwise it won't move forward. I expect there will be many disageements with this view but I think it's the best of a number of less than ideal options as it's difficult to see the Conference changing their rules by the time the play-offs come around in a few weeks time. Apologies lcfc, firstly can you just clarify, are you suggesting we bite the bullet and agree to change the pitch in order to be able to play in the play offs and see if we finish in a promotion place? Or are you suggesting we agree to abide by the rules in order to buy us time for the 3G matter to be settled?...ie, what happens if we don't play in the play offs in April/May and then the Conference agree to 3G in June? I agree with you that promotion should be the over-riding aim for the club but at what cost? Vauxhall Motors are resigning from Conference North at the end of the season because the costs of running a club in that league are far greater than the revenue they are generating and so it makes no business sense to continue committing to the overheads. Sure their revenue streams are much lower than ours but we have a ground to pay for and we are massively reliant on the 3G business model. Removing the pitch would cut our income dramatically (and increase our overheads) and in all honesty we probably wouldn't be able to provide a playing budget for a team to compete in Conference South, meaning we would be relegated to Ryman Prem, back to square one but with no 3G pitch. Do we agree to abide by the rules for the sake of playing in the play offs??....we could do, but what if we won those play offs and were bound by the agreement to change the pitch? we would quickly fall into the above scenario and be forced to change the pitch and in the process turfing out all the other teams that play on the pitch.......womens teams, disabled teams, academy etc......I suspect the council would then get involved as planning for the ground and funding was based on it being a "community" stadium. The bottom line is, switching the pitch to grass is not really an option, and considering the moves being made to allow 3G I don't even think the owners would look into it. The biggest danger as you quite rightly point out is the same scenario next season, the key phrase in the NLP is Maidstone United have decided to "postpone" their legal threat......this doesn't mean it has gone away, it means they are giving the conference the opportunity, under the guidance of the FA, to relax their stance on 3G pitches......and the report mentions a conference board member in effect waiting for guidance from the higher authorities. My feeling is the conference would need to give reasssurances (not necessarilly to us) that 3G will be allowed the season after next and as fans we would need to accept we wont be playing in the play offs this season but look forward to next season. I don't even think the conference will put it to a vote next time.
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