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Post by jdl on Feb 24, 2014 19:31:30 GMT
What's wrong with just using English correctly?
Where else does someone criticising somebody doing something incorrectly get labelled 'police' or 'Nazi'?
I didn't think Flisher played too well today, he took that corner badly. Shut up, you football Nazi!
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Post by rollingstone on Feb 24, 2014 19:47:50 GMT
My personal hate is text talking, for example - "HOW R U M8?" i can understand if you are typing an SMS message on a mobile phone, and are limited to the amount of characters you can type, but i hate it when people use it on message boards, or e-mails, as you are using a keyboard and are not restricted to the amount of letters you can use. You never post from your phone then? No, as i end up hitting the wrong keys and typing more typos then i do on my computer keyboard |
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Post by daveu on Feb 24, 2014 19:48:39 GMT
What's wrong with just using English correctly? Where else does someone criticising somebody doing something incorrectly get labelled 'police' or 'Nazi'? I didn't think Flisher played too well today, he took that corner badly. Shut up, you football Nazi! I always try to avoid terms relating to the Nazis or Hitler. There's an old forum law that the first person to accuse someone of being a Nazi automatically loses the argument. As for spelling and grammar, I don't think it's that important on a forum like this. What matters is that people know what you mean. I detest it when the press get it wrong though, because that is indicative of a lack of professionalism. |
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Post by islandstone on Feb 24, 2014 19:57:17 GMT
What's wrong with just using English correctly? Where else does someone criticising somebody doing something incorrectly get labelled 'police' or 'Nazi'? I didn't think Flisher played too well today, he took that corner badly. Shut up, you football Nazi! How do you spell gestapo? Gastapo? Ges...oh who cares. |
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Post by shatty on Feb 24, 2014 19:58:31 GMT
Plz put dis in da non mufc section
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Post by nws on Feb 24, 2014 21:15:09 GMT
...this may keep nws and jdl of our backs. Yes, after years of anti-NWS across many boards one simple post from TEP has done it  BTW...it's ARE backs not OUR backs |
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Post by jt on Feb 24, 2014 21:30:04 GMT
What's wrong with just using English correctly? Where else does someone criticising somebody doing something incorrectly get labelled 'police' or 'Nazi'? I didn't think Flisher played too well today, he took that corner badly. Shut up, you football Nazi! I always try to avoid terms relating to the Nazis or Hitler. There's an old forum law that the first person to accuse someone of being a Nazi automatically loses the argument. As for spelling and grammar, I don't think it's that important on a forum like this. What matters is that people know what you mean. I detest it when the press get it wrong though, because that is indicative of a lack of professionalism. I can't believe you're mentioning nazis Dave. Out of order. |
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Post by townendphil on Feb 24, 2014 22:03:55 GMT
...this may keep nws and jdl of our backs. Yes, after years of anti-NWS across many boards one simple post from TEP has done it BTW...it's ARE backs not OUR backs Just trying to help. I know you don't like to moan nws!! We wouldn't want your delicate little digits being worn out correcting people so now you can post about stuff that really matters! |
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Post by nws on Feb 24, 2014 22:15:15 GMT
One exclamation mark will suffice.
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Post by townendphil on Feb 24, 2014 22:54:36 GMT
Victim of my own success
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Post by tim on Feb 25, 2014 9:13:38 GMT
Where else does someone criticising somebody doing something incorrectly get labelled 'police' or 'Nazi'? This is a message board, not a letter to an employer, or an English exam. The posts made on this board are normally football related (oops) if they happen to be grammatically incorrect it doesn't lessen the point that's being made, providing, as Dave says you can understand it! The other reason is that it is boring, and makes you sound like a prat!  |
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Post by nws on Feb 25, 2014 10:13:52 GMT
This is a message board, not a letter to an employer, or an English exam. This, I fear, is the first in a number of excuses that sees us work towards posts that are so poorly written they are misconstrued, leading to arguments over nothing. The posts made on this board are normally football related (oops) if they happen to be grammatically incorrect it doesn't lessen the point that's being made, providing, as Dave says you can understand it! The trouble comes in the seond half of your sentence. Who can say what one person can understand compared to another if you operate a rather arbitrary way of doing things. The only way you can ensure understanding is by having everyone working to a set standard. Might I suggest correct grammar and punctuation as a set standard? By the way, Timothy, a failure to put a comma after, 'says', leads me to believe that a point can be understood, as Dave says I can understand it.The other reason is that it is boring, and makes you sound like a prat! Personally, I find it boring trying to understand poor writing. I think people that write in such an uneducated way make themselves look silly.
Overall, I don't see why I have to waste my time wading through posts written by lazy people who can't be bothered to learn to write the English language properly.
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Post by tim on Feb 25, 2014 11:00:32 GMT
That’s the point though, most of us of a non pedantic persuasion, can perfectly understand the posts written by most contributors to this forum. Only a few (well two) have to constantly pick people up on grammar and spelling! We all know how sad NWS is, but do we really need another? |
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Post by jdl on Feb 25, 2014 13:31:10 GMT
What on earth is "pedantic" about using your own mother-tongue correctly?
Grammar isn't a set of rules imposed from above, it is the way a language works. It has evolved naturally to make the language as accurate and understandable as possible. Imagine if we all started to mix up to, too and two, or were and we're, it's and its, there, their, and they're, etc - things would rapidly get chaotic. Grammar is there for a very good reason - I have seen several posts on here written so badly that I have had no idea what the poster is on about. What on earth is the point of that?
Grammar also evolves naturally, so pedantry is pointless (for instance insisting on the Latin grammar rule of not splitting infinitives in English, which has an entirely different grammar). A good example of this comes from a post of nws's the other day, where he used the phrase "utterly bored of hearing". As an old fogey, used to English as it has been spoken for the last 50 years or so, this happens to be one of my pet hates (using 'of' instead of 'with'), but I have accept that it is rapidly becoming standard English (the OED now accepts it as a variant - although they still recommend against this usage). So did I pick nws up on it? No, that would indeed have been pedantry - and pointless.
Grammar is about clarity and understanding, without it we are lost. Even on a football forum.
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Post by jdl on Feb 25, 2014 13:37:16 GMT
And another point that worries me about all this is the apparent approval of ignorance over education. People not only seem proud of not being able to write In their own language properly, but attack those of us who do care because we are 'clever' or 'pedantic'. As if knowledge and education was a bad thing and ignorance and stupidity was in some way 'cool'.
I hope this is self-obviously madness. Would you prefer a footballer who couldn't play well to one who knew what he was doing? Would you employ a plumber or electrician who didn't know his stuff, rather than one who actually knows what he's doing? So why this inverted snobbery where writing in your own language is concerned?
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