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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 17:50:53 GMT
If we get a playoff spot then we will play in the playoffs as we have earned the right to do so as laid down by the Ryman Prem. The RPL wont deny us our place in the playoffs,if we get that far. its what happens after that ,if we win them. I'm afraid we cannot participate in the play-offs. It has nothing to do with either the conference, or the ryman league. There is a law written by THE FA stating that a team cannot participate in play-off competitions if they are obstructing another team from being promoted. In our case, we technically are 'obstructing' a team, as we are unable to be promoted ourselves.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Feb 18, 2014 18:03:53 GMT
Well we lucked out tonight & avoided the certain 3 - 1 defeat.
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Post by daveu on Feb 18, 2014 18:20:23 GMT
If we get a playoff spot then we will play in the playoffs as we have earned the right to do so as laid down by the Ryman Prem. The RPL wont deny us our place in the playoffs,if we get that far. its what happens after that ,if we win them. I'm afraid we cannot participate in the play-offs. It has nothing to do with either the conference, or the ryman league. There is a law written by THE FA stating that a team cannot participate in play-off competitions if they are obstructing another team from being promoted. In our case, we technically are 'obstructing' a team, as we are unable to be promoted ourselves. Indeed, it was the FA rules I was paraphrasing.
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Post by smoky on Feb 18, 2014 18:27:29 GMT
So can we only mount a legal challenge if we finish as champions? Why can't we enter the play offs as we can always decide to ground share should we win them
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Post by ontheup on Feb 18, 2014 18:35:22 GMT
It is an FA ruling that we wouldn't be able to participate in the play offs and this may actually be a good thing because it means we can take the issue direct to the FA
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Post by islandstone on Feb 18, 2014 19:26:53 GMT
Loss of revenue from not playing play off or two?
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Post by daveu on Feb 18, 2014 19:44:28 GMT
So can we only mount a legal challenge if we finish as champions? Why can't we enter the play offs as we can always decide to ground share should we win them That won't work either because you can't arrange a groundshare specifically to gain promotion. Any groundshare must have been in place for a year prior to any potential promotion. Besides, the club will not arrange a groundshare or replace the 3G with grass. For better or worse we play at the Gallagher Stadium on 3G because that underpins the whole business model of the club.
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Post by nws on Feb 18, 2014 21:25:00 GMT
Indeed, David. We did not get promoted out of the Kent League in our first season because our groundshare arrangement did not meet the rules.
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Post by smoky on Feb 18, 2014 21:48:40 GMT
Can we only mount a legal challenge if we are in a position to go up? If so there's not much chance of that happening this season.
If we can manage to keep players and hopefully improve and we win the league season a legal challenge isn't going to be a quick process therefore not much chance of going up next season either. Not much chance of the conference backing down unless there is pressure from above so Unless I'm missing something we could be in the ryman for some time to come !
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Post by toonarmy on Feb 18, 2014 21:52:05 GMT
Getting this thread back on track, good luck to Wealdstone who have been one of the better teams this year, whilst some may not like their fans, they do have a good team, I reckon they will win the league and if we are blocked I hope Dulwich win the play offs
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Post by mackster on Feb 19, 2014 8:01:05 GMT
Loss of revenue from not playing play off or two? I think some are way off the mark with this. If we qualify for the play off's, we will play in them. Just like any team, we will then be given a certain date to bring our ground up to the standard required for the next league. We will then fail the ground grading. We won't turn down the opportunity to earn the extra revenue, it will also bring even more publicity to the campaign and embarrassment to the Conference.
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Post by russc on Feb 19, 2014 8:24:16 GMT
Loss of revenue from not playing play off or two? I think some are way off the mark with this. If we qualify for the play off's, we will play in them. Just like any team, we will then be given a certain date to bring our ground up to the standard required for the next league. We will then fail the ground grading. We won't turn down the opportunity to earn the extra revenue, it will also bring even more publicity to the campaign and embarrassment to the Conference. Sorry Mackster, but the FA and Ryman rules say otherwise. The qualification criteria for the next level up must be met by the end of the regular season, before the play offs take place. Some ground grading criteria have a timescale associated with them that allow you to qualify on the understanding that x will be done by y date, but not all of them. I bet the pitch isn't one of the ones that has such an exemption. If we don't qualify by the end of the season, for example because our pitch is not accepted in the Conference, then we will not be allowed to take part in the playoff and the 6th placed team will enter instead.
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Post by jdl on Feb 19, 2014 22:51:23 GMT
The fact that the FA, UEFA and FIFA fully approve of the use of 3G pitches at the highest level of football must have some bearing on the 'natural justice' of our situation.
The Conference's 'no-3G' rule is effectively preventing our club, not only from being promoted, but also from expanding - from developing our business to its natural limits. Surely, under EU law, this is restraint of trade, and therefore illegal?
Were we a business manufacturing widgets, instead of selling sport-based entertainment, and a number of other bigger widget manufacturers had created an association intended to help them to grow their businesses, but had prevented us from joining because of some technicality about how we manufacture our widgets more cheaply than theirs, we would have a clear case under EU (and UK) law against that association, for restraint of trade.
I don't see that this is essentially any different from our current predicament.
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Post by jdl on Feb 19, 2014 22:51:24 GMT
(posted twice by mistake, but you can't delete posts, just edit them!)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 8:20:50 GMT
(posted twice by mistake, but you can't delete posts, just edit them!) your lying again
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