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Post by daveu on Jan 21, 2014 13:27:29 GMT
Isn't this all a bit serious in relation to a bit of banter with a "police" club who actually had no serving police officers playing for them? I'm not sure that a bit of terrace banter about their football team can really be interpreted as disrespectful to the Metropolitan Police (or indeed any other force) as an organisation.
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Post by jt on Jan 21, 2014 13:35:35 GMT
They wear the badge with pride Dave, They were the badge with pride, oh and the money of course, and the excellent facilities at Imber Court. They have a rather nice members bar.
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Post by islandstone on Jan 21, 2014 19:20:31 GMT
Right to conclude this dispute, you cant use the words, fuzz, furry banks, big Babylon heads, the filth, the flange, pigs, feds, hypocrites, fuzzy muff, tit heads, or bacon boys...amongst others to replace the word police. And I agree with Calais that if you think you can do a better job, then go and f'ing do it. That's in any trade, job or service.
And my last contribution for a song is ... Choo choo choo we got Aaron lacy...
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Post by nws on Jan 22, 2014 21:22:51 GMT
Thank you for clarifying some of your argument.I shall do likewise.
I had already concede that your point about 'teenage yobs' was a fair one - I then went on to explain why I had used it.You then chose to take it completely out of context, and go off completely at a tangent about the treatment of rioters.This is because you clearly misinterpreted my use of the word 'evidence' - I was referring, within the context of petty vandalism, to academic research evidience from the fields of criminology and sociology which has consistently suggested that petty vandalism is an issue of the young.Of course, I'm not suggesting that all teenagers are yobs but, like it or not, ther is no getting away from decades of academic research - the debate has long since moved on from 'who' to 'why'.It would help if you would address the specific point in future - you still haven't explained why you think I was wrong to use it.
I have also made clear that I do not think the police are beyond criticism - I drew upon the example of Hillsborough.However, use of terms such as 'pigs' is gratuitously offensive (I have already explained the background).There are many individuals who routinely refer to police officers in such terms who wouldn't dream of calling black people 'n*****s', yet both terms are equally offensive in terms of both their origin and intent.
I don't think that it is 'silly' to offer words of support for hard working ordinary men and women doing a difficult job.
I had no alternative but to connect your previous posts as you are persisting in using an argument from the economic laissez-faire capitalist Right, which would be contrary to your previoulsy stated opinion - so there is a question of credibility.Public Choice would certainly support your 'forced to pay' argument - but would also be used to argue 'why should I be forced to pay for the NHS. or help for the unemployed'. At the moment, it looks as though you just swing with the philosophic wind, adopting whatever idea suits.I'm sure you don't, but it would be useful to have an explanation of your seeming political/economic volte-face.
Your reason for cynicism of the police is valid - although I would contend that it is actually cynicism of policy and government, rather than of the police, who simply have to uphold the law as it stands.You are no doubt aware that both the previous, and current, governments have sought ways to bring bankers to book, but no laws were in place - that will change with the current Banking Act.Where laws are in place - for example, the rigging of LIBOR - action has been taken.
I have little patience with those who criticise from the sidelines, but refuse to present an alternative to support their argument - that is little more than an intellectual cop-out. So, to get this straight, people are entitled to the term teenage yob (whixch some may consider offensive) because research has shown that that is the group most likely to cause petty vandalism. However, the fact that there are has been incident after incident after incident of wrongdoing, both individually and institutionally by the police does not give people the right to use offensive terms about them. I am supposed to be contradictory? As we were talking abut the Met originally I guess the constant reports saying they are institutionally racist still doesn't mean people can use an offensive term in the same way that teenage yobs can be used? I am quite interested in your apparent voltafaccia over the use of offensive terms. As for my economics...I merely pointed out that we are forced to pay for the police so we can criticise and be rude about them if we think they are not up to scratch. This is not a punt for public choice economics but simply a statement of the system we are forced to exist under and operate in now. A system I don't really want but am stuck with. I am not about to sit here thinking deeply about what I believe law and order policy should be based on the fact that you might think it is an intellectual cop-out. Once again, I will point out that you criticised people, saying that they used an offensive term about the police but would be the first to call them if some teenage yobs were kicking down their garden fence. Given that dealing with the problem yourself is likely to end up with you going to jail or getting fined can I ask what people are supposed to do? I think your point is silly because people are left with little choice under the current system they are forced into. I note that you have gone off at a tangent and started gabbling on about 'not considering offering words of suppport to the police as silly'. That is not what I found silly about your point (and I was quite clear) in what I did find silly) and it would be good if you would address the point in future. The 'evidence' comments were a little sarcastic to highlight how badly the police have behaved down the years. I do agree that my cynicism is intertwined with policy but it is also about the police force from top down and the different way that different people are treated on the streets (the insitutional racism being a fine example). As equal to your impatience with those who criticise from the sidelines (although I am guessing that my continual letters to government, setting up of an e-petition, featuring on Radio 5 live phone in, walking the streets delivering leaflets about the austerity cuts etc might be evidence of action as well) is my impatience of those who are happy to accept the status quo and ignore the inequality as long as they are OK. +
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Post by jt on Jan 22, 2014 22:07:46 GMT
? Scratches head in amazement ?
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Post by jt on Jan 22, 2014 22:51:06 GMT
Can we have another "fine example" can we, can we, oh please?
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Post by townendphil on Jan 22, 2014 22:52:20 GMT
Anyway back to the topic of this thread
To the tune of nick nack paddy wack
Zac Attwood We love you He's going to score a goal or 2 Have you seen your defence He'll mug them to Zac Attwood We love you
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Post by islandstone on Jan 22, 2014 23:02:39 GMT
Anyway back to the topic of this thread To the tune of nick nack paddy wack Zac Attwood We love you He's going to score a goal or 2 Have you seen your defence He'll mug them to Zac Attwood We love you Needs an extra syllable in the last line dear fellow.
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Post by shatty on Jan 22, 2014 23:05:14 GMT
Anyway back to the topic of this thread To the tune of nick nack paddy wack Zac Attwood We love you He's going to score a goal or 2 Have you seen your defence He'll mug them to Zac Attwood We love you Needs an extra syllable in the last line dear fellow. And a drum beat.....
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Post by townendphil on Jan 22, 2014 23:17:56 GMT
Anyway back to the topic of this thread
To the tune of nick nack paddy wack
Zac Attwood We love you He's going to score a goal or 2 Have you seen your defence He'll mug them to Oh Zac Attwood We love you
Is this better IS? And agree bout the drum beat shatty
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Post by michaelclarke on Jan 22, 2014 23:23:15 GMT
Calais! NWS! Please stop flirting and give us a song! Cheers! :-)
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Post by islandstone on Jan 23, 2014 9:55:57 GMT
Needs an extra syllable in the last line dear fellow. And a drum beat..... Yes yes I know.
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Post by islandstone on Jan 23, 2014 9:59:38 GMT
Champions of Europe 2025, we're having a laugh Champions of Europe 2025 we're having a laugh...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 11:43:51 GMT
Calais! NWS! Please stop flirting and give us a song! Cheers! :-) You've probably already got this one, but....
Glory, glory black and amber (x3) And the Stones go marching on-on-on
Well - we are 'MUFC', after all......
have to admit Calais, not heard that one before! Well done, will try get that one going Saturday.
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Post by michaelclarke on Jan 23, 2014 11:44:48 GMT
Thanks, Calais, I like that one. If we find ourselves on the wrong end of a thrashing, how about 'Always Look on the Bright Side of Life'?
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