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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 13:20:25 GMT
With such a small ground its not easy to segregate fans especially if there are several hundred of them many of whom were set on causing trouble. The argument about getting tanked up before the game and causing trouble isn't really the problem,i get tanked up at away games,not so much these days,but I don't go around trying to be a pratt and then hitting people though it has happened in self defence and one time,funnily enough at Yeovil,I got headbutted on the train station by a home fan. The problem lies with the people that do it,remove the alcohol and things will be worse because they will still cause trouble and be dangerously sober.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 13:34:31 GMT
Let's try a thought experiment.
Imagine you are running a business where you regularly put on some sort of show and invite 2 or 3 thousand people to come and pay to watch it.
Then you have crowd trouble at one show where several people are crushed and one poor sod ends up in hospital with multiple broken ribs and a punctured lung. What happens? The media make a huge fuss, the authorities demand action and threaten to take your licence away. You immediately issue apologies - in person to the affected families - and you arrange an urgent investigation into what happened, and what measures you can put in place to stop it happening again.
Then you are involved in another show, where you're not running the event but you sell tickets for it and arrange travel. During that show, someone falls out of a stand, onto other customers underneath. Luckily, no one is badly hurt, and, of course, it isn't your fault. But it doesn't exactly look good.
The following week, you have another show arranged in your local stadium - the attraction is the best you are likely to have this year and a large crowd is expected, so you arrange a higher level of security and crowd control than usual.
But still there is trouble, with drunken behaviour and pyrotechnics being thrown into the crowd - culminating in a vicious fight breaking out, which your security staff struggle to control.
How do you think your business is viewed by now? How do you expect the licensing authorities to react?
Do you expect to be putting on another show next week or perhaps for several weeks - until you have satisfied the authorities (and your customers) that you have drastically improved your admission policies, your crowd control and your security?
But it's only a thought experiment, we needn't worry - after all, it's only football...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 13:43:10 GMT
A fine has little effect. If the league deduct points even if suspended it might have the effect of fans turning against the idiots in their midst.
I was interest at Swords recollection of the game at Corby (he must have been very young) I wondered why we had an escort along the back of the stand. The stand was divided down the middle and a lot of seats were empty. Just before the start they were filled by the morons who had been in the Celtic Club. I remember one draped in the Union flag with a swastika tattooed on his forehead. Police lined the back of the stand. Then we scored. There was only the passage way between the fans. We got to our feet to cheer and then there was a primal roar as the Corby nutters turned as one. The police rushed down the dividing steps. My young son was passed along our supporters out of harms way. A police woman launched herself into the nutters closely followed by the burly policemen and about a dozen skinheads were taken out. That was my most frightening experience. Perhaps if our police stood by the barrier with the security it would be a more effective deterrent than standing on the steps
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 14:05:45 GMT
A fine has little effect. If the league deduct points even if suspended it might have the effect of fans turning against the idiots in their midst. I was interest at Swords recollection of the game at Corby (he must have been very young) I wondered why we had an escort along the back of the stand. The stand was divided down the middle and a lot of seats were empty. Just before the start they were filled by the morons who had been in the Celtic Club. I remember one draped in the Union flag with a swastika tattooed on his forehead. Police lined the back of the stand. Then we scored. There was only the passage way between the fans. We got to our feet to cheer and then there was a primal roar as the Corby nutters turned as one. The police rushed down the dividing steps. My young son was passed along our supporters out of harms way. A police woman launched herself into the nutters closely followed by the burly policemen and about a dozen skinheads were taken out. That was my most frightening experience. Perhaps if our police stood by the barrier with the security it would be a more effective deterrent than standing on the steps I remember me and my travelling colleagues saying "f**k this" and wanting to leave after we scored the second but the police would not let us explaining that in the stadium we had a good chance of getting home unhurt,outside the stadium you would likely be spending a few weeks in the local hospital.We took their advice and we even got a third goal,I think.Happy days! |
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Feb 5, 2024 14:18:35 GMT
Why would a dad want to bring his children along with no seats available in the stand poor views in the town end and along the sides and crowd trouble and crushes in the Genco?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 14:24:02 GMT
Why would a dad want to bring his children along with no seats available in the stand poor views in the town end and along the sides and crowd trouble and crushes in the Genco? Quite. The dad would have to explain that we don’t play Yeovil every week. Maybe we should have a small little family enclosure, raised with better views. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 14:57:35 GMT
Let's try a thought experiment. Imagine you are running a business where you regularly put on some sort of show and invite 2 or 3 thousand people to come and pay to watch it. Then you have crowd trouble at one show where several people are crushed and one poor sod ends up in hospital with multiple broken ribs and a punctured lung. What happens? The media make a huge fuss, the authorities demand action and threaten to take your licence away. You immediately issue apologies - in person to the affected families - and you arrange an urgent investigation into what happened, and what measures you can put in place to stop it happening again. Then you are involved in another show, where you're not running the event but you sell tickets for it and arrange travel. During that show, someone falls out of a stand, onto other customers underneath. Luckily, no one is badly hurt, and, of course, it isn't your fault. But it doesn't exactly look good. The following week, you have another show arranged in your local stadium - the attraction is the best you are likely to have this year and a large crowd is expected, so you arrange a higher level of security and crowd control than usual. But still there is trouble, with drunken behaviour and pyrotechnics being thrown into the crowd - culminating in a vicious fight breaking out, which your security staff struggle to control. How do you think your business is viewed by now? How do you expect the licensing authorities to react? Do you expect to be putting on another show next week or perhaps for several weeks - until you have satisfied the authorities (and your customers) that you have drastically improved your admission policies, your crowd control and your security? But it's only a thought experiment, we needn't worry - after all, it's only football... Build a new stand, keep them appart. But we dont have the cash for it, unless we have a good run in the FA Cup....... |
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Feb 5, 2024 15:10:50 GMT
A safe family area with good sight lines sounds like a great idea but i am sure many tell me why it can't logistically or Financially be done.
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Post by jdh80 on Feb 5, 2024 15:39:51 GMT
Why would a dad want to bring his children along with no seats available in the stand poor views in the town end and along the sides and crowd trouble and crushes in the Genco? Quite. The dad would have to explain that we don’t play Yeovil every week. Maybe we should have a small little family enclosure, raised with better views. Depending on the clubs plan the riverside could be used perfectly as a family enclosure or school enclosure similar to that stand in Bath (Twerton Park) for the schools |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 15:56:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 16:04:28 GMT
Yeah easily googled but in all seriousness how many of our fans can you see doing that? They have no time in between school, vaping and watching pop island |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 17:00:02 GMT
Yeah easily googled but in all seriousness how many of our fans can you see doing that? They have no time in between school, vaping and watching pop island It only needs one to know it |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 17:05:26 GMT
There is a photo doing the rounds of one of our well known young fans flashing a blurry name on his phone towards the Yeovil fans. As weird as it sounds, we should acknowledge it is a possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 17:23:59 GMT
There is a photo doing the rounds of one of our well known young fans flashing a blurry name on his phone towards the Yeovil fans. As weird as it sounds, we should acknowledge it is a possibility. Where is it? FB? |
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Feb 5, 2024 17:40:12 GMT
I would imagine Yeovil fans are useless that as an excuse for their disgusting behaviour!
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