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Post by nigelgm on Oct 17, 2022 18:37:39 GMT
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Post by sword65 on Oct 17, 2022 18:50:36 GMT
Yeah read this a few hours ago,wasn't worth waiting for☹
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Post by nigelgm on Oct 17, 2022 18:55:13 GMT
Agreed nothing interesting or new
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Post by stone4life on Oct 17, 2022 19:52:13 GMT
Having previously spoken to him and read most of what he writes about football and governance I find Oliver to be an honest, pragmatic, sensible person who cares about the club. I think we are in good sensible hands and owe a debt of gratitude that should be remembered in bleak times. After Saturdays result I was as angry as anybody and have the same questions most of you write about on these forums. However, when my emotions have died down I am more realistic. The club have and continue to make mistakes and communication is one of the biggest. I was confused about why Beth was let go but accept what Oliver says in this Q & A and accept there is probably good reason why not a lot can be said on the matter. I doubt any of us have run a football club so it’s very easy to preach from afar. The bottom line is we can ask questions, criticise, get upset about results BUT if we want to be part of the solution we have to continue to attend games, pay good money and NOT sing songs that mock our own team. In my book, it’s ok to boo a bad performance but singing songs like ‘we’re f***ing shit’ etc are not acceptable or helpful. I desperately want the stones to stabilise at this level and then push on but if we get relegated I suspect I will still be at the games next year with the same hope. Stick together, COYS.
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Post by bermudastone on Oct 17, 2022 21:00:27 GMT
Having previously spoken to him and read most of what he writes about football and governance I find Oliver to be an honest, pragmatic, sensible person who cares about the club. I think we are in good sensible hands and owe a debt of gratitude that should be remembered in bleak times. After Saturdays result I was as angry as anybody and have the same questions most of you write about on these forums. However, when my emotions have died down I am more realistic. The club have and continue to make mistakes and communication is one of the biggest. I was confused about why Beth was let go but accept what Oliver says in this Q & A and accept there is probably good reason why not a lot can be said on the matter. I doubt any of us have run a football club so it’s very easy to preach from afar. The bottom line is we can ask questions, criticise, get upset about results BUT if we want to be part of the solution we have to continue to attend games, pay good money and NOT sing songs that mock our own team. In my book, it’s ok to boo a bad performance but singing songs like ‘we’re f***ing shit’ etc are not acceptable or helpful. I desperately want the stones to stabilise at this level and then push on but if we get relegated I suspect I will still be at the games next year with the same hope. Stick together, COYS. Nice post mate. Anyone know a rich dude down Allington Way ? COYS |
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Post by jdl on Oct 17, 2022 21:11:01 GMT
Disapointed that he doesn't really say anything we didn't already know or had worked out. I've a lot of time for Oliver, but this just felt like so much else about the Stones at the moment - not really up to what you expect/hope for. The thing that bugs me most is not the poor team performance (shit happens in football), or Hak's less than brilliant 'explanations' (that's just Hak), but the seeming fact that we don't seem to have learnt much, if anything, from our last experience of the NL The excuse for everything just seems to be that the NL is hard and we don't have much money - like we didn't already know all that. But this time, we went up as champions, we had a manager experienced at this level and above, we had a much more talented side, and, above all else, we had three years experience of the NL under our belts. I didn't expect much more than safety and perhaps a mid-table finish, but I didn't expect us to do worse than we did in 2016, or 2017 ( see below). I certainly didn't expect us to be in pretty much exactly the same situation as we were at this stage in 2018. I'm a supporter, and have been for longer than seems possible, and I've been through worse (much, much worse) than this. So I'll hang on and wait for things to improve, and hopefully, come April next yesr, I'll be looking back on this as a 'blip'. But, right now, forgive me for being rather pissed off.
Comparison to previous NL seasons progress (league place per game) - this season in dark blue: Click on graphic to expand (sorry for shit images). |
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Post by pwoodstone on Oct 17, 2022 21:32:06 GMT
Unusually off the mark from OA.
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Post by daveu on Oct 17, 2022 21:52:34 GMT
Some absolute piece of shit on Twitter telling OA to f**k off in no uncertain terms. Don't need scum like that supporting the Stones.
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Post by jdl on Oct 17, 2022 21:56:30 GMT
Some absolute piece of shit on Twitter telling OA to f**k off in no uncertain terms. Don't need scum like that supporting the Stones. And take your club with you? Left and right brain cells not firing together... |
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Post by Stonethecrow on Oct 18, 2022 6:53:13 GMT
All a bit uninspiring.
As jdl remarks, we have heard it all before.
Very much like 'groundhog day'.
It is frustrating that lessons don't seem to have been learnt.
I still remember Bill explaining the decision behind Jay's sacking as needing to be done "in order to give supporters hope".
Even if everything thing else repeats itself, I'm trusting that particular course of action, well and truly won't be repeated.
Perhaps the most disappointing feature of the season so far is the reaction of some supporters.
Brainless and without any class !
Oh well, I guess it was always thus.
Pretty sure the owners and everybody at the club are very disappointed with developments.
Just down to Hak and Terry now to turn things around.
They deserve our support.
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Post by tim on Oct 18, 2022 7:05:27 GMT
How some people forget, before Oliver and Terry took over we were ground sharing under PBB in massive debt and reported to be days away from folding again
I can’t remember a queue of people wanting to take over!
We are now back home with a stadium to be proud of and many happy memories some not so of the last 10years or so
Yes they have made mistakes and haven’t got the resources of others, but they have so much credit in bank for what they have achieved
I’d rather have a bad season or two than go back to those dark days before they took over
So imho people should lay off them and let them get on with the job!
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Post by steveh21 on Oct 18, 2022 7:11:07 GMT
Bang on Tim.
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Post by bear5 on Oct 18, 2022 7:49:43 GMT
I'm not sure what he was meant to say? He was pretty honest before the season started that there was no real financial upside to the NL, what with travelling costs, etc. If you want to run the football club properly, then it's obvious that you stick to what you can afford, a lesson that approximately 99% of professional football clubs haven't adhered to, which is why so many are in financial difficulties. Unless some new investors come along, I still believe they have the right approach.
As for learning lessons from last time, what is there to learn? The NL has an increasing number of 'big' ex-league clubs, some of whom have ready-built stadiums that don't need thinking about if they were to back up. They have larger average crowds and they probably are a lot more attractive to potential players, even geographically.
I would also add that it must be difficult to budget for income. Compared to the end of last season we appear to have lost about 1,000 people in terms of attendances, which would indicate that people like a successful team and don't like an unsuccessful team playing at a higher standard.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 18, 2022 9:20:48 GMT
How some people forget, before Oliver and Terry took over we were ground sharing under PBB in massive debt and reported to be days away from folding again I can’t remember a queue of people wanting to take over! We are now back home with a stadium to be proud of and many happy memories some not so of the last 10years or so Yes they have made mistakes and haven’t got the resources of others, but they have so much credit in bank for what they have achieved I’d rather have a bad season or two than go back to those dark days before they took over So imho people should lay off them and let them get on with the job! Those calling for their heads are probably young newbies who are totally unaware of the clubs existence 10+ years ago,glory hunters. |
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Post by Better things to do in life on Oct 18, 2022 9:37:46 GMT
Obviously we need to get things working better within the squad. Confidence does seem low. Our stalwarts from last season need to really stand up and be counted.
We will be addressing all the issues with Hak during the weeks to come and we’re all behind him seeking ways to improve results.
Some members of Hak’s backroom staff have moved on and others been brought in. Staff changes are made for many reasons including cost, performance and effectiveness.
We hold our hands up to being imperfect in our communications but we can never comment in detail about staff decisions. These can be difficult, regrettable and made for reasons which cannot always be disclosed.
In the meantime when times are hard the club needs your support more than ever.
Well said, Oliver. In Ash we trust!
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