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Post by nws on Oct 7, 2022 7:19:03 GMT
In the Kent league we got between 30 and 50 fans away and 50 - 100 (slowly rising to 200) at home. I'm guessing most would cease to support
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Post by pwoodstone on Oct 7, 2022 7:27:04 GMT
What is a club without its fans? If games were played behind close doors, with no spectators, would football have ever got beyond the purely amateur level? Owners change, players change, stadiums change - the only constant is the fans. In a sense, we are the club. We may not have any rights to know anything, but owners who forget how much the club means to the fans, do so at their peril. I blame it on promotion to this awful league and the glory hunters that still want to put the club at risk by squandering money we dont have on huge wages for substandard players. I am slowly falling out of love with football and I never thought I would say it but I am slowly beginning to dislike the club I have loved for 50 years. This is definitely the league where you start to make that transition from the game we all love, jumper for goal posts, decent fans and relatable players, to the game you see on TV with Prima donas, unrealistic fans and miserable fans. The only thing that doesn’t change is the standard of the refs.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 7, 2022 9:10:27 GMT
There are several financial basket case clubs in the NL, relegated from the EFL. Oldham didn’t own parts of their ground, Southend are under a transfer embargo and Scunthorpe may not survive the season. If Oliver told us we were in danger of going the same way if costs weren’t cut, would you still insist we must not cut spending or retain staff we can’t afford? If we fell into serious trouble like several decades ago, who would drift away and who would rally to the cause? At the moment, Maidstone United are a NL/NLS yo-yo club. It can be frustrating, but would you prefer a return to being a Kent League giant? I just want to see a game of football, win,lose or draw and here we are in the 2nd week of October and for various reasons ihavent seen us play at home or away. This would not happen in the leagues below. Would I prefer being a Kent League giant? No is the answer ,I understand the club must progress for the sake of 99% of the supporters whereas I am one of the 1% who'd rather we hadn't have done it so bloody quickly.
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Post by 7oaks on Oct 7, 2022 11:44:00 GMT
It seems as though someone at the club does monitor this site as the Football Staff page has now been updated! The only remaining issue that I raised that has not been addressed is that the Reserves are still called Development.
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Post by jdh80 on Oct 7, 2022 12:55:12 GMT
It seems as though someone at the club does monitor this site as the Football Staff page has now been updated! The only remaining issue that I raised that has not been addressed is that the Reserves are still called Development. I think that due to the league that they compete in they have to be called a "Development" team or maybe "under 23s" rather than reserves. Reserves can have a full line up of players aged over 23 play for them, where a "Development" team may only have 2 or 3 I think aged over 23, this is usually players from first team getting some game minutes on their way back from injury.
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Post by jdl on Oct 7, 2022 13:57:19 GMT
There are several financial basket case clubs in the NL, relegated from the EFL. Oldham didn’t own parts of their ground, Southend are under a transfer embargo and Scunthorpe may not survive the season. If Oliver told us we were in danger of going the same way if costs weren’t cut, would you still insist we must not cut spending or retain staff we can’t afford? If we fell into serious trouble like several decades ago, who would drift away and who would rally to the cause? At the moment, Maidstone United are a NL/NLS yo-yo club. It can be frustrating, but would you prefer a return to being a Kent League giant? No arguments with most of that, but my disappointment is that we know all this - and so do the owners. So why are we (apparently) repeating 2016 all over again, only this time earlier? We did three (very) hard years, surely we learnt from that? I am convinced that we are good enough to survive and compete in the NL (we didn't actually do that badly last time - it was only the panic sacking of Jay, withot a plan B, that got us relegated). I don't see why we have to settle for being a yo-yo club. With our cautious owners and our potential fan base, we should be NL regulars. Not stars, perhaps, but not annual relegation candidates either. I share Sword's dislike of all this, and in an ideal world, I'd probably settle for being a big fish in a small (NS) pond, but this is where we find ourselves. We have the fan base and potential income to survive in the NL, we've just got to get over this rough patch, survive the first season and build on that.
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Post by 7oaks on Oct 7, 2022 14:05:33 GMT
I believe that our second team play in the Suburban Football League Premier Division as Maidstone United FC Reserves, some sides in this Division are called Reserves, some Development and some U23. Looking at the table we have lost all 5 games so far this season, perhaps that accounts for the lack of news on the website?
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Post by steveh21 on Oct 7, 2022 15:21:06 GMT
Serious question...what is the point of having a reserve side? Few if any players could step up. Would make more sense in my opinion to have squad players on dual registration with other clubs.
Is running two sides the best use of funds?
Many clubs at our level and below have scrapped their second team.
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Post by Harry on Oct 7, 2022 15:32:48 GMT
It is a bit of a luxury. Of course it gives matches to players that need a run-out, but the 1st team seems choose up to 7 subs anyhow (naming 5 on the day). Bigger clubs use development squads so it seems the pied piper rules. As you say, players at under 23 level rarely enhance the 1st team. It it worth it ? Given the drain on resources probably not. Better to fund quality 1st team players.
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Post by 61666 on Oct 8, 2022 7:34:46 GMT
Depends how much it costs, I guess. Do the players receive any sort of actual pay, or are the amateurs, with maybe a match fee or similar? What do the coaches get? FL clubs presumably have a significant pay 'pyramid' to cover youth, development teams and such, but at our level, you have to wonder. With all the funding the bigger clubs have, perhaps there is a case for them sponsoring smaller clubs as part of their own development squads? Not sure supporters would be keen to lose their identity though.
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Post by jdh80 on Oct 8, 2022 11:20:06 GMT
Depends how much it costs, I guess. Do the players receive any sort of actual pay, or are the amateurs, with maybe a match fee or similar? What do the coaches get? FL clubs presumably have a significant pay 'pyramid' to cover youth, development teams and such, but at our level, you have to wonder. With all the funding the bigger clubs have, perhaps there is a case for them sponsoring smaller clubs as part of their own development squads? Not sure supporters would be keen to lose their identity though.This part would be a huge culture shock and a massive risk to the existing football pyramid we have in England. In essence what you would be doing is changing a team from say Maidstone United into lets say Crystal Palace reserves. Now reserve sides don't get many big attendances (Unless the game is staged at the premier league ground) as people are not interested in the reserves team, and would it alienate the Maidstone fans as it is no longer their team that they are supporting, which you mentioned about supporters losing their identity. What you did mention though is common practice in North American sports, where the sports culture is completely different A quick example would be ice hockey You have a league called the NHL (Top tier 32 teams NO relegation) You then have what are called minor leagues AHL, ECHL, you also have the SPHL and FPHL, there is also a league called the LNAH Nashville Predators are one of the NHL teams They have an "Affiliate" in the AHL called the Milwaukee Admirals (The teams have been together since the 98/99 season which was Nashville's first year) Up until last season they also had an "Affiliate" in the ECHL called the Florida Everblades (in the 2022/2023 season the Everblades will be the ECHL affiliate of the Florida Panthers (NHL) team) The affiliate teams will have players that are "Owned" by Nashville playing for them and Nashville at any stage can "Call" those players up to the NHL team -- For example Nashville could have an injured starting goalie and they will then call up the starting goalie from the Milwaukee team to act as the backup for the NHL team ---- Knock on affect the Milwaukee could then call up a goalie from the ECHL team and they will be short a goalie or relying on someone who is not as good as the one who got called up -- Another example would be is a player in the AHL scores 32 points in 25 games he's likely to be getting the call from the NHL team, the AHL team then has to find a player to fill that attacking role and put up those points When I say massive risk to the lower league teams There was an ECHL team in Tallahassee Florida called the Tallahassee Tiger sharks - operated 1994-2001 They then moved the team to Macon Georgia called the Macon Whoopie - operated just one season 01/02 The team was then moved again to Lexington Kentucky the team called the Lexington Men O'War - operated for just one season 02/03 The team was then moved again to West Valley City Utah the team called the Utah Grizzlies - who are still playing now (If you want to go further back the team started in 1988 and prior to Tallahassee also played under the names of Virgina Lancers, Roanoke Valley Rebels, Roanoke Valley Rampage and Hunstville Blast) I can already feel swordy smashing his computer about teams being moved around the country, i know he hates MK Dons who moved the team about 50 miles from Wimbledon, Where the team in the example above have moved about 3200 miles during their moves. I could quite happily go one and on about the differences between the two and the good things and bad things on each culture (English Football Pyramid, American Sports structures)
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Post by sword65 on Oct 8, 2022 11:32:56 GMT
There is nothing good about American sport full stop.
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Post by Bernie on Oct 8, 2022 13:31:55 GMT
Looks like Beth has been replaced by a GP, which given our injuries can only be a good thing, right? It is also a requirement at this level.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 8, 2022 22:55:33 GMT
Looks like Beth has been replaced by a GP, which given our injuries can only be a good thing, right? It is also a requirement at this level. Replaced by a Giinea Pig😁
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Post by Bernie on Mar 13, 2023 17:46:23 GMT
Accounts published. find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03720814/filing-historyAny accountants care to interpret? Creditors and cash at hand went up £484,542 in one year? New pitch contingency fund? Net assets went from £509 to £167,410 liabilities? Cost of covid? Creditor amounts falling due in one year went from £298,370 to £783,272. Amounts owed to undertakings in which the company has an interest, from zero to £317,212. Is it a case of one part of the company owing money to another?
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