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Nov 9, 2020 10:21:32 GMT headstone said:

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The Peter Beardsley of non-league football.

I suspect that John Daubney was some sort of elf hybrid too...

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Nov 8, 2020 6:28:02 GMT sword65 said:

Just one silly old fucker replacing another one that's all it is.

I'm keeping this saved until you overtake jdl on the post count...

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Nov 8, 2020 11:07:18 GMT scooby said:

I think this will divide USA for a long time. Trump may have his faults but he is not suffering from early onset dementia. Also how many of you are American or even lived and worked there? Do not believe everything the media feeds ya.

Out of interest...where do Americans get their information from?

As for believing what the media tells us. You know that Donald Trump tweets a lot of lies and nonsense, don't you. We don't need the media. We also see him making speeches and telling lies through various visual methods.

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Nov 8, 2020 11:07:18 GMT scooby said:

I think this will divide USA for a long time. Trump may have his faults but he is not suffering from early onset dementia. Also how many of you are American or even lived and worked there? Do not believe everything the media feeds ya.

Have you ever watched Donald Trump do live debates etc. He forgets what he is on about. I watched one, in 2016, where he was asked about health. He started by blaming the insurance companies greed before concluding that he would hand more power to the insurance companies. He then spent the rest of the answer telling everyone he was going to get rid of ISIS. I'm no middle east expert but I don't think an ISIS tactic is infiltration of the US health system to introduce policies that disadvantage the poor.

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I know Alaska's a big remote place, but still only 56% of votes counted - seriously? Is their wi-fi down or something?

Pleased to see victory for one of us Centrists, anyway. Convinced Trump will just make more and more of a fool of himself over the next couple of months without doing any irreversible damage - cue the giffy of someone sitting bac and eating popcorn.

Will this be a pendulum swing and the beginning of the end for loony right-wing leaders? Time will tell.

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Nov 9, 2020 14:01:33 GMT @oxford said:

I know Alaska's a big remote place, but still only 56% of votes counted - seriously? Is their wi-fi down or something?

Pleased to see victory for one of us Centrists, anyway. Convinced Trump will just make more and more of a fool of himself over the next couple of months without doing any irreversible damage - cue the giffy of someone sitting bac and eating popcorn.

Will this be a pendulum swing and the beginning of the end for loony right-wing leaders? Time will tell.

I'm afraid you're being somewhat optimistic with that last sentence. Unless the Labour Party get their act together I can see the Tories winning another election and lurching even further to the right. The alternative to that would be a Labour government that convinces people it's not controlled by momentum but lurches significantly to the left as soon as it gets into power. Why isn't there a credible centrist party when you need one.

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Amen to that.
See this morning that Trump is now blaming Pfizer for affecting the election, because they didn't release news about the vaccine earlier.
Shallow, egocentric, narcissistic, selfish... or just a complete cnut?
Probably a lot of both.

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Nov 9, 2020 16:08:20 GMT daveu said:

Why isn't there a credible centrist party when you need one.

I blame Keir Hardie.

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There IS a credible centrist party, it's called Labour. Unfortunately, there are a large minority of Labour 'supporters' who don't understand this and think they can turn it into a radical left-wing party. They can't, and they won't - the numbers just aren't on their side. But, in the meantime, the party will spend far too much of its time fighting itself instead of defeating the Tories.

The only real solution to this is proportional representation (i.e. actual democracy). Then each political faction can have its own party and those factions can work together in coalition, without fighting for dominance. But Labour have never been in favour of proportional representation because they know they would never form a majority government again. Nor would the Tories, of course, but that seems to have passed Labour by...

That, in a nutshell, is why we are in the mess we're in - and probably always will be.

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Exactly, proportional representation means no clear majority ever, so no party would be able to pass any of the laws for which they were elected.

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Seems to work elsewhere - Germany, New Zealand, Israel and many others.

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Italy always used to be quoted as the country whose government was chaotic because it involved such complicated coalitions; I know Spain had no government at all for a big chunk of 2019, for similar reasons. But the if the paucity of 2-party politics is the alternative, I'd sooner have a range of parties any day.
Keir "Captain Hindsight" Starmer seems sane and electable enough, but he'd be breaking records if he overturned the current Tory majority at the next election.

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Nov 11, 2020 8:10:40 GMT @61666 said:

Seems to work elsewhere - Germany, New Zealand, Israel and many others.

Almost everywhere, in fact.

Much as I'd like to see a strong progressive government in charge, if democracy means anything, it means the government following the will of the people - ALL of the people.

The will of the people of this country seems to be broadly progressive and humanatarian, but with a strong streak of conservatism and caution. Even as a (fairly) radical progressive, that's fine by me. It is, after all, the country we were born in or chose to live in - if you don't like it, you either try to change it, or go and live somewhere else more suited to your views.

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Nov 10, 2020 10:23:55 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

There IS a credible centrist party, it's called Labour. Unfortunately, there are a large minority of Labour 'supporters' who don't understand this and think they can turn it into a radical left-wing party. They can't, and they won't - the numbers just aren't on their side. But, in the meantime, the party will spend far too much of its time fighting itself instead of defeating the Tories.

The only real solution to this is proportional representation (i.e. actual democracy). Then each political faction can have its own party and those factions can work together in coalition, without fighting for dominance. But Labour have never been in favour of proportional representation because they know they would never form a majority government again. Nor would the Tories, of course, but that seems to have passed Labour by...

That, in a nutshell, is why we are in the mess we're in - and probably always will be.

WIth your second and third paragraphs you are getting more and more like me every day.