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Post by jdl on Jul 26, 2020 23:30:42 GMT
I'm delighted Weymouth progressed, sure the fans thing with our segregation was irritating but will not forget the Dorking away match in a hurry! Speaking to a sensible fan of theirs throughout the match before one lump of bright red lard turns around spouting that John Still's conduct deserved a ban from football management... And I am sure he took the Odubade goal just as well. And let's not forget Havant, I had it on good authority one of their commentary duo got a bit too excited before the full time whistle and stormed off in a huff when it did not go their way before threatening to chuck someone off the gantry (not said to the individual in question, obviously). Lovely club. They just can't get it up...
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Post by sword65 on Jul 27, 2020 9:32:19 GMT
I could be wrong but I am assuming Dartford are still a part time club and if so it shows what good semi pros can achieve if they work hard and play for the shirt. The last three seasons all we have had is a revolving door of professional nobodies here to fleece us of our money whilst not giving a tuppeney f**k about the club,with one or two exceptions.
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Post by swampy on Jul 27, 2020 9:42:19 GMT
I could be wrong but I am assuming Dartford are still a part time club and if so it shows what good semi pros can achieve if they work hard and play for the shirt. The last three seasons all we have had is a revolving door of professional nobodies here to fleece us of our money whilst not giving a tuppeney f**k about the club,with one or two exceptions. If this theory is true then how do you explain Elliott Romain? Couldn't hit a barn door for us but is Dartfords leading scoring. Me thinks it might be more down to how a player is managed rather than if they are Full time or Part time.
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Post by jdl on Jul 27, 2020 11:12:27 GMT
I could be wrong but I am assuming Dartford are still a part time club and if so it shows what good semi pros can achieve if they work hard and play for the shirt. The last three seasons all we have had is a revolving door of professional nobodies here to fleece us of our money whilst not giving a tuppeney f**k about the club,with one or two exceptions. I'd 'like' this five times if I could. But it would have got 6 likes if you'd added the need for an exceptional manager. Now, where would we find one of those...
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Post by Bernie on Jul 27, 2020 11:44:51 GMT
The one thing you couldn’t say about Romain is that he didn’t try. He ran his heart out for us, but it just never translated into goals. One can only assume he is being better managed. If he ends up back in the National League, it will have been fully earned and deserved.
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Post by steveh21 on Jul 27, 2020 12:22:00 GMT
I could be wrong but I am assuming Dartford are still a part time club and if so it shows what good semi pros can achieve if they work hard and play for the shirt. The last three seasons all we have had is a revolving door of professional nobodies here to fleece us of our money whilst not giving a tuppeney f**k about the club,with one or two exceptions. PLayers like Romain rely on good service.. we saw that with Ibby too...as soon as the service from Matt vanished, so did his goals. You need to play to your strikers' strengths. Totally agree with Sword.. If Dartford get promoted as a part-time club I wish them all the best. The full-timers like Havant and York have fallen by the wayside or not even made the playoffs (us). Dartford have a 'team' and are proving the point I and others have been making for ages that if you get a group of good and passionate part-time non-leaguers you will succeed.. Full-time journeymen and loads of U23 cast offs is usually the alternative unless you have buckets of money.
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Jul 27, 2020 14:28:49 GMT
The one thing you couldn’t say about Romain is that he didn’t try. He ran his heart out for us, but it just never translated into goals. One can only assume he is being better managed. If he ends up back in the National League, it will have been fully earned and deserved. At the risk of stating the obvious, when he was playing for us he was up against NL defenders who were getting their fair share of the £750k average wage bill. When he was playing for Dartford his opponents were on a third of that.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Jul 27, 2020 15:15:19 GMT
I could be wrong but I am assuming Dartford are still a part time club and if so it shows what good semi pros can achieve if they work hard and play for the shirt. The last three seasons all we have had is a revolving door of professional nobodies here to fleece us of our money whilst not giving a tuppeney f**k about the club,with one or two exceptions. I'd 'like' this five times if I could. But it would have got 6 likes if you'd added the need for an exceptional manager. Now, where would we find one of those... Me too, Swordy hits the mark again..........and Im surprised this thread hasnt sunk under the weight of the protests from the anti-part time brigade! However, Dartford is Dartford, and the Stones are the Stones, and we are what we are, which is this hybrid of being full time enough in pay to keep big George and the like but still part-time enough in actual hours we make the players work so that we still struggle against strong part-time outfits. Or at least we did last year. Lets hope next season will be different. COYS!
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Post by jdl on Jul 27, 2020 15:53:58 GMT
I'd 'like' this five times if I could. But it would have got 6 likes if you'd added the need for an exceptional manager. Now, where would we find one of those... Me too, Swordy hits the mark again..........and Im surprised this thread hasnt sunk under the weight of the protests from the anti-part time brigade! However, Dartford is Dartford, and the Stones are the Stones, and we are what we are, which is this hybrid of being full time enough in pay to keep big George and the like but still part-time enough in actual hours we make the players work so that we still struggle against strong part-time outfits. Or at least we did last year. Lets hope next season will be different. COYS! Of course, if I pointed out that us and our 'hybrid' system and our Big George, didn't do as well as Dartford and their part-timers, I'd run the risk of being called a "keyboard warrior"* again... (*those few on here who actually know me must find this almost as funny as I do!)
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Post by daveu on Jul 27, 2020 16:16:44 GMT
I'd 'like' this five times if I could. But it would have got 6 likes if you'd added the need for an exceptional manager. Now, where would we find one of those... Me too, Swordy hits the mark again..........and Im surprised this thread hasnt sunk under the weight of the protests from the anti-part time brigade! However, Dartford is Dartford, and the Stones are the Stones, and we are what we are, which is this hybrid of being full time enough in pay to keep big George and the like but still part-time enough in actual hours we make the players work so that we still struggle against strong part-time outfits. Or at least we did last year. Lets hope next season will be different. COYS! Not anti part time, just anti anyone who thinks they know better how to run the club than those who actually have to run it, and who think they'd make a better job of spending the money than those whose money it actually is.
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Post by steveh21 on Jul 27, 2020 16:36:30 GMT
Dave, all of us can have opinions based on decades watching football at this level and seeing what has worked in the past. It does not mean people are critical of those who run the club. Simply questioning. I really hope our hybrid model works next season..
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Post by Nick on Jul 27, 2020 18:29:43 GMT
Just don't sign up to this "you will get a stronger team if players work their b******* off all day and then turn up at the Gallagher for training a couple of nights a week stuff". For sure it can work and it did for us, we just needed very good management and JS1 was the man. It's worked for Dartford too, again excellent management. Will Romain do the business in the National League ? Well I doubt swordy will put too much of his pension on it. In any case, I'm happy enough with the way the Stones have been set up for next season, signings so far have been promising, but a fair few more quality additions are needed. In Hak we trust.
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Post by jdh80 on Jul 27, 2020 19:24:08 GMT
Dave, all of us can have opinions based on decades watching football at this level and seeing what has worked in the past. It does not mean people are critical of those who run the club. Simply questioning. I really hope our hybrid model works next season.. The problem is that when you get promoted then for some players balancing "part time" football, full time employment and family life is difficult and you end up having to reassemble a whole new squad meaning you start the season on the back foot, or you did what we did start well and then struggle when the extra travel commitment kicked in. In the national league there were a number of the long distance games where you did not attend and I'll hazard a bet it was due to family/work reasons and trying to find the time due to the extended travel etc, in no way would i ever accuse you of not being committed to supporting the stones, but part time players will also have these issues. The reason i believe that we should continue with this hybrid is that if we so get promoted then we have a squad who you can mainly retain with a few changes, just giving you stability from the start. If we chop and change part time and hybrid full time then we will be a yoyo club like west brom in the premiership.
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Post by steveh21 on Jul 27, 2020 19:31:24 GMT
Like i said, i hope our hybrid model is a success and i admire your faith in it after a few seasons. Surely the perceived problems you mention will affect Dartford, Wealdstone etc?
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Post by sword65 on Jul 27, 2020 19:54:02 GMT
Like i said, i hope our hybrid model is a success and i admire your faith in it after a few seasons. Surely the perceived problems you mention will affect Dartford, Wealdstone etc? Wealdstone do have the slight advantage that they are the right side of London for northward travel. They are not far from the M1 and so would have about a 90 minute advantage on us,longer if the tunnel and M25 are misbehaving.
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