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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 9:48:40 GMT
As you say pedant, you can believe what you like
You will always find some expert that supports your own 'belief' (sometimes called wishful thinking)
I have a few clinical medics in my family, they all believe in the probability of a second wave
Overwhelmingly their NHS clinical colleagues believe in the probability of a second wave
For sure, the pandemic hasn't gone away, it remains suppressed (mostly) for the time being.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 10:01:26 GMT
New Oxfordshire COVID cases quintupled on Saturday compared to Tuesday (up to 5 from 1...) - dangerous things, stats.
Yeah, a few more months and it'll be winter flu season again... plenty of reasons to avoid crowded confined areas for at least the rest of the summer and probably longer. In my case for overseas travel I'm thinking Europe (for work) - October maybe but video-conferencing 1st choice; Brazil (see the inlaws) - August 2021 at the very earliest; USA, woohoo, an excuse never to go there ever again. Camping trip in E Anglia with another family of 4 booked for next month
(Sorry if I'm repeating myself but everyone else does): on a local level I feel totally safe and think current restrictions are about right; on the international scale, still worried.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 11:12:05 GMT
New Oxfordshire COVID cases quintupled on Saturday compared to Tuesday (up to 5 from 1...) - dangerous things, stats. Yeah, a few more months and it'll be winter flu season again... plenty of reasons to avoid crowded confined areas for at least the rest of the summer and probably longer. In my case for overseas travel I'm thinking Europe (for work) - October maybe but video-conferencing 1st choice; Brazil (see the inlaws) - August 2021 at the very earliest; USA, woohoo, an excuse never to go there ever again. Camping trip in E Anglia with another family of 4 booked for next month (Sorry if I'm repeating myself but everyone else does): on a local level I feel totally safe and think current restrictions are about right; on the international scale, still worried. I'd give Brazil a miss for a while if I were you. |
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Post by pedant on Jul 6, 2020 11:49:54 GMT
As you say pedant, you can believe what you like You will always find some expert that supports your own 'belief' (sometimes called wishful thinking) I have a few clinical medics in my family, they all believe in the probability of a second wave
Overwhelmingly their NHS clinical colleagues believe in the probability of a second wave
For sure, the pandemic hasn't gone away, it remains suppressed (mostly) for the time being. I have no issue with their knowledge or expertise but what are they actually saying?
Seasonal increase? Doubling where we are now? Back to the March / April figures? or Something else?
Predicting this with any accuracy is a forlorn hope but "believe in the probability of a second wave" is not far off being meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 12:11:48 GMT
As you say pedant, you can believe what you like You will always find some expert that supports your own 'belief' (sometimes called wishful thinking) I have a few clinical medics in my family, they all believe in the probability of a second wave
Overwhelmingly their NHS clinical colleagues believe in the probability of a second wave
For sure, the pandemic hasn't gone away, it remains suppressed (mostly) for the time being. I have no issue with their knowledge or expertise but what are they actually saying?
Seasonal increase? Doubling where we are now? Back to the March / April figures? or Something else?
Predicting this with any accuracy is a forlorn hope but "believe in the probability of a second wave" is not far off being meaningless.
I wouldn't worry about the Covid 19 second wave especially as the chinese have discovered they have Bubonic plague cases. Rat burger anyone? |
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Post by steveh21 on Jul 6, 2020 12:16:17 GMT
As we are all going to die judging by the pessimism on this board there is absolutely no point buying a season ticket this season. We'll all be dead by FA Cup Third Round weekend :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 12:26:44 GMT
When the first easing of lockdown was announced, the doom mongers - including medical 'experts' and of course those political opponents of the government who, despite what they would have you believe, are using the virus to attack the Prime Minister and the Tories at every opportunity - said it was too soon and predicted a spike. It didn't happen. As each subsequent new round of easing has been announced, those same doom merchants have been hanging onto every bit of data that appears around three weeks later to see if there was a spike. So far, much to their disappointment, nothing. Even the newspapers, who send their photographers out to busy beaches to take photographs from an angle that makes it look like people are not social distancing - have been thwarted.
Sooner or later, of course, it will happen. there will be a spike somewhere and the sharks will descend on the government, saying 'we told you so.' The fact they 'told us so' several times before, wrongly, won't be relevant because they will sweep those occasions under the rug.
I cannot say for certain whether there will be a second wave. Nobody can, including those same medical professionals. Why? because they don't have a crystal ball. All they know, as we all do to be fair, is that cold winter weather can breed this kind of virus faster. The reality is, if the good weather lasts into October and the figures still keep going down - and yes, they might, despite the lockdown easing and what the sharks (who put political gain before people's lives) will tell you - we might get away without one. I know that's not what Labour, the SNP, the Lib Dems and The Guardian want to hear, but I honestly think we might get through. We'll see.
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Post by OldBoy73 on Jul 6, 2020 12:41:48 GMT
...on our "independence day". Johnson is an utter muppet. PS BBJ is excluded on the grounds that there is no covid in his world and it is 5g masts that are the problem Covid isn't a political issue (apart from in Scotland where Sturgeon's every decision is based on bigging up the autonomy of the Scottish Parliament), it's highly unlikely that any other leader would have done much differently to Boris. For the record, I have never said there is any link between 5G masts and Covid 19 other than the fact that they were still being installed when we were supposed to be in lockdown, which by anybody's measure HAS to be suspicious. However, they are two different health problems adversely affecting mankind. I have also never said that Covid-19 does not exist. Of course it exists, someone created it in a well known chemical warfare laboratory in Wuhan - The Chinese female scientist who whistleblew that news in the first place is still mysteriously missing and the media has spent the last three months coming up with alternative cover stories about bats, pangolins, wet markets and God knows what else, which incredibly people actually believe rather than the obvious FIRST news reports, which are by far the most obvious. HIV/AIDS also exists. However, the whole world is not in lockdown due to an over inflated (by the media and global organisations) fear of HIV/AIDS with people dying natural deaths but being recorded as dying of AIDS, hospitals getting extra funding by how many HIV/AIDS deaths they can declare, and NHS tests which say you have a 70% chance of being HIV positive which then means the statistics record you as having AIDS, whether you have it or not. Look at the numbers, folks. Of the total UK population, 0.4% have been "infected" (With Coronavirus, which is not actually the same as having Covid-19) and 0.06% have died. Its unclear out of all of those deaths how many are directly due to Covid-19, how many were through other causes whilst the patient had Covid-19 - often from being onto a Covid-19 ward - how many were through other causes whilst the patient had a harmless coronavirus (a cold), or how many were the patient having no Covid-19 or coronavirus but recorded as Covid-19 to bump up the figures. And those percentages are the INFLATED figures, for the reasons suggested above. Whilst any infections or deaths are terrible, is this lockdown and its untold affects justifiable when over 99.94% of the population (based upon the dodgy, potentially inflated, figures) have totally not been at any fatal risk? Sorry, I forgot, Im just a batsh*t conspiracy theorist who thinks Im David Icke and the world is flat just because I can see through this cr*p we are all fed on a daily basis. I'm an ignorant murderer who is going to kill my family if I dare to walk into Aldi's without a mask and stand 1.9m distance from the person in front of me and get a frog in my throat and dare to cough...……...which means I will infect the whole store with fatal Covid-19 on the spot. Obviously. And, of course, 22 men can be all over each other on a football pitch without masks or social distancing anything for 90 minutes with no restrictions, no accusations, no risk of passing anything on to each other, if they are Premiership Footballers, yet the 50,000+ great unwashed cannot watch them from the stands for dreaded fear of doing just that, and 22 lowly NLS footballers cannot be on a similar football pitch, playing the same game. Clearly Premiership footballers are indeed, the superhero human beings we worship them to be after all. That's perfectly acceptable, as we cant do without our big time footie can we? We have to be drip fed at least one titbit of fun to keep us quiet. Covid-19 goes out of the window as far as the premiership is concerned to keep the masses happy and to keep us from realising the con. People can got to the pub, but not to the gym. We can soon go to the movies, but our kids cant go to school (how many kids got Covid-19 folks?) All makes perfect sense, doesn't it! Please! Get a grip everyone. Its madness, and we all need to start challenging it all. None of it makes any sense at all. You don't have to be any kind of conspiracy theorist to question the agenda. The numbers and the madness of it all tell you we are being pranked here in a global, massive way. Or stay in your homes all day and give in to it all. That's the real agenda. Control. Removal of human freedom. Removal of human questioning. Removal of humanity, by the super-rich global elite who are behind all of this madness...…..and they are way above Boris. And no, they are not Lizards, or space aliens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 13:04:24 GMT
Oh Jesus.
nws starts it, BBJ joins in - with a peppering of people pushing political viewpoints by attacking others for pushing political viewpoints...
Brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 13:13:04 GMT
When the first easing of lockdown was announced, the doom mongers - including medical 'experts' and of course those political opponents of the government who, despite what they would have you believe, are using the virus to attack the Prime Minister and the Tories at every opportunity - said it was too soon and predicted a spike. It didn't happen. As each subsequent new round of easing has been announced, those same doom merchants have been hanging onto every bit of data that appears around three weeks later to see if there was a spike. So far, much to their disappointment, nothing. Even the newspapers, who send their photographers out to busy beaches to take photographs from an angle that makes it look like people are not social distancing - have been thwarted. Sooner or later, of course, it will happen. there will be a spike somewhere and the sharks will descend on the government, saying 'we told you so.' The fact they 'told us so' several times before, wrongly, won't be relevant because they will sweep those occasions under the rug. I cannot say for certain whether there will be a second wave. Nobody can, including those same medical professionals. Why? because they don't have a crystal ball. All they know, as we all do to be fair, is that cold winter weather can breed this kind of virus faster. The reality is, if the good weather lasts into October and the figures still keep going down - and yes, they might, despite the lockdown easing and what the sharks (who put political gain before people's lives) will tell you - we might get away without one. I know that's not what Labour, the SNP, the Lib Dems and The Guardian want to hear, but I honestly think we might get through. We'll see. Spot on and very well put. In fact the best post on the subject I've read on here so far. The "spikes" are happening in the form of localised outbreaks. Let's see where Leicester is in 2 weeks (OK still somewhere near Nottingham on the M1 probably...), or Merthyr Tydfil or Rochdale. Plenty of good reasons to restrict travel to and from Brazil, USA, India etc for several months to come, too. I'm still considering applying to work from home on a permanent basis - nothing gained by sitting in an office surrounded by people coughing, at any time of year. My next-door neighbour's had the "you have in the past had Coronavirus" test result - she had a cold with loss of taste in late February. That's when the damage was done. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 13:15:34 GMT
Oh Jesus. nws starts it, BBJ joins in - with a peppering of people pushing political viewpoints by attacking others for pushing political viewpoints... Brilliant. No politics from me - I'm more likely to start supporting Tonbridge than I am to vote Tory - but the "blame it on Boris" brigade, who presumably think Corbyn and Abbott would have made a better job of it, are deluded. |
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Post by steveh21 on Jul 6, 2020 13:29:11 GMT
Oh Jesus. nws starts it, BBJ joins in - with a peppering of people pushing political viewpoints by attacking others for pushing political viewpoints... Brilliant. No politics from me - I'm more likely to start supporting Tonbridge than I am to vote Tory - but the "blame it on Boris" brigade, who presumably think Corbyn and Abbott would have made a better job of it, are deluded. That actually made me laugh.. you're bang on.. could you imagine Corbyn and Abbott dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic!! Comedy gold. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 13:41:01 GMT
Oh Jesus. nws starts it, BBJ joins in - with a peppering of people pushing political viewpoints by attacking others for pushing political viewpoints... Brilliant. My post was basically anti-political with the exception of Sturgeon who is quite clearly using it as an excuse to push Scottish independence. Quite how BBJ took the opportunity to start pushing his conspiracy theories again in response to my post, is beyond my comprehension. |
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Post by pedant on Jul 6, 2020 14:09:26 GMT
Covid isn't a political issue (apart from in Scotland where Sturgeon's every decision is based on bigging up the autonomy of the Scottish Parliament), it's highly unlikely that any other leader would have done much differently to Boris. For the record, I have never said there is any link between 5G masts and Covid 19 other than the fact that they were still being installed when we were supposed to be in lockdown, which by anybody's measure HAS to be suspicious. However, they are two different health problems adversely affecting mankind. I have also never said that Covid-19 does not exist. Of course it exists, someone created it in a well known chemical warfare laboratory in Wuhan - The Chinese female scientist who whistleblew that news in the first place is still mysteriously missing and the media has spent the last three months coming up with alternative cover stories about bats, pangolins, wet markets and God knows what else, which incredibly people actually believe rather than the obvious FIRST news reports, which are by far the most obvious. HIV/AIDS also exists. However, the whole world is not in lockdown due to an over inflated (by the media and global organisations) fear of HIV/AIDS with people dying natural deaths but being recorded as dying of AIDS, hospitals getting extra funding by how many HIV/AIDS deaths they can declare, and NHS tests which say you have a 70% chance of being HIV positive which then means the statistics record you as having AIDS, whether you have it or not. Look at the numbers, folks. Of the total UK population, 0.4% have been "infected" (With Coronavirus, which is not actually the same as having Covid-19) and 0.06% have died. Its unclear out of all of those deaths how many are directly due to Covid-19, how many were through other causes whilst the patient had Covid-19 - often from being onto a Covid-19 ward - how many were through other causes whilst the patient had a harmless coronavirus (a cold), or how many were the patient having no Covid-19 or coronavirus but recorded as Covid-19 to bump up the figures. And those percentages are the INFLATED figures, for the reasons suggested above. Whilst any infections or deaths are terrible, is this lockdown and its untold affects justifiable when over 99.94% of the population (based upon the dodgy, potentially inflated, figures) have totally not been at any fatal risk? Sorry, I forgot, Im just a batsh*t conspiracy theorist who thinks Im David Icke and the world is flat just because I can see through this cr*p we are all fed on a daily basis. I'm an ignorant murderer who is going to kill my family if I dare to walk into Aldi's without a mask and stand 1.9m distance from the person in front of me and get a frog in my throat and dare to cough...……...which means I will infect the whole store with fatal Covid-19 on the spot. Obviously. And, of course, 22 men can be all over each other on a football pitch without masks or social distancing anything for 90 minutes with no restrictions, no accusations, no risk of passing anything on to each other, if they are Premiership Footballers, yet the 50,000+ great unwashed cannot watch them from the stands for dreaded fear of doing just that, and 22 lowly NLS footballers cannot be on a similar football pitch, playing the same game. Clearly Premiership footballers are indeed, the superhero human beings we worship them to be after all. That's perfectly acceptable, as we cant do without our big time footie can we? We have to be drip fed at least one titbit of fun to keep us quiet. Covid-19 goes out of the window as far as the premiership is concerned to keep the masses happy and to keep us from realising the con. People can got to the pub, but not to the gym. We can soon go to the movies, but our kids cant go to school (how many kids got Covid-19 folks?) All makes perfect sense, doesn't it! Please! Get a grip everyone. Its madness, and we all need to start challenging it all. None of it makes any sense at all. You don't have to be any kind of conspiracy theorist to question the agenda. The numbers and the madness of it all tell you we are being pranked here in a global, massive way. Or stay in your homes all day and give in to it all. That's the real agenda. Control. Removal of human freedom. Removal of human questioning. Removal of humanity, by the super-rich global elite who are behind all of this madness...…..and they are way above Boris. And no, they are not Lizards, or space aliens. Well it's good to know that never having been tested for the virus I've "totally not been at any fatal risk" and that therefore I was worrying unnecessarily.
But, hang on. Weren't almost all of those who've unfortunately died also in that category?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 14:27:31 GMT
No politics from me - I'm more likely to start supporting Tonbridge than I am to vote Tory - but the "blame it on Boris" brigade, who presumably think Corbyn and Abbott would have made a better job of it, are deluded. That actually made me laugh.. you're bang on.. could you imagine Corbyn and Abbott dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic!! Comedy gold. Some of the figures I have seen I think Diane Abbott is involved. |
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