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Post by jdl on Jun 30, 2020 18:17:26 GMT
Coronavirus causes Covid-19. Yes ? Just like HIV and Aids. In both cases, the first being the virus and the second being the disease. Or have I got it wrong ? COVID-19 and Coronavirus are both names given to the disease. The virus is SARS-Cov-2. The virus is called all sorts of things! Although its technical name is indeed SARS-CoV-2 (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome- Corona Virus-2). But the disease it causes is only called COVID-19. The '2' in the virus name denotes the fact that this is the 2nd Corona virus strain to emerge and become pandemic. The first was just known as SARS (technically SARS-CoV-1). When the current version first emerged it was provisionally known as 2019-nCoV (2019 novel corona virus) - 'novel' simply meaning 'new'. The '19' in both the virus and disease names is just the year it was first identified. I'm not sure about the comparison with HIV and AIDS. True, the HIV virus gives you AIDS in most cases, but AIDS isn't a disease in the same way COVID is, it's a syndrome, you actually die/suffer from all sorts of diseases (like pneumonia), because your immune system is buggered. HIV does actually cause an initial flu-like response in many cases, so you could say HIV gives you flu, in the same way that SARS-CoV-2 gives you Covid-19.
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Post by jdl on Jun 30, 2020 18:20:25 GMT
I'm happy to buy a season ticket even if (as seems likely) I miss all the matches. I just want my club to still be there when this is all over. Losing your club once in a lifetime is more than enough. I have made this offer to the club twice, but (understandably, I suppose) they haven't replied. As for being an expert, no, but you can educate yourself. There's plenty of books, newspaper articles, podcasts, YouTube videos, etc around. An excellent place to start is Quammen's book Spillover - very thorough and scientificly sound, but readable too (and frightenly accurate in its predictions). But if you don't fancy that, or can't get it, there's plenty of stuff online. I see your sources are unreliable as per usual. You could explain that. Although I don't expect you will.
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Post by jdl on Jun 30, 2020 18:28:33 GMT
COVID-19 and Coronavirus are both names given to the disease. The virus is SARS-Cov-2. My understanding is that the virus is SARS-Cov-2, commonly known as Covid19, because its easier to say and remember as the Cov that came about in 2019. I believe that it is A coronavirus, but you can have a coronavirus that is NOT Covid 19, and never will be. One does not have to become the other. That is the problem with the diagnoses and the numbers. I have a 1996 medical paper describing coronaviruses in the common cold without any fear of them being anything any more harmful than just a cold 23 years before SARS-Cov-2, commonly known as Covid19, suddenly appeared on Planet Earth as a mysterious new more deadly strain of the common Coronavirus. Whether this "new" coronavirus came about by mutation by accident in a wet market or deliberately in a laboratory, depends upon what you choose to believe. My point is the populace are being whipped up into fear anxiety and paranoia about all coronaviruses, even diagnosed with them, and put in needless fear and pointless isolation for nothing more than having a cold, when it is COVID19 that is the real problem, and the thing to be worried about getting. Even more worringly, have the governments of the world been miscounting deaths by natural causes where the deceased had a coronavirus (i.e. a COLD) as Covid19 deaths, to increase the numbers of (alleged) deaths due to Covid19, to justify locking us all in our homes? It would also explain the many cases I have heard from different people of hospitals putting "Covid 19" on death certificates of their loved ones in the UK where they had no proof whatsoever of it being the cause of death in order to obtain government funding and other benefits of having a high "Covid" death rate. The world is not what it seems. Because it's really run by lizards? The virus is called Coronavirus (there's a clue in the name), or, more accurately, SARS-CoV-2 ( Corona Virus). The disease is called COVID-19 (Corona Virus Disease - 2019). It's not complicated.
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Post by daveu on Jun 30, 2020 18:32:06 GMT
COVID-19 and Coronavirus are both names given to the disease. The virus is SARS-Cov-2. My understanding is that the virus is SARS-Cov-2, commonly known as Covid19, because its easier to say and remember as the Cov that came about in 2019. I believe that it is A coronavirus, but you can have a coronavirus that is NOT Covid 19, and never will be. One does not have to become the other. That is the problem with the diagnoses and the numbers. I have a 1996 medical paper describing coronaviruses in the common cold without any fear of them being anything any more harmful than just a cold 23 years before SARS-Cov-2, commonly known as Covid19, suddenly appeared on Planet Earth as a mysterious new more deadly strain of the common Coronavirus. Whether this "new" coronavirus came about by mutation by accident in a wet market or deliberately in a laboratory, depends upon what you choose to believe. My point is the populace are being whipped up into fear anxiety and paranoia about all coronaviruses, even diagnosed with them, and put in needless fear and pointless isolation for nothing more than having a cold, when it is COVID19 that is the real problem, and the thing to be worried about getting. Even more worringly, have the governments of the world been miscounting deaths by natural causes where the deceased had a coronavirus (i.e. a COLD) as Covid19 deaths, to increase the numbers of (alleged) deaths due to Covid19, to justify locking us all in our homes? It would also explain the many cases I have heard from different people of hospitals putting "Covid 19" on death certificates of their loved ones in the UK where they had no proof whatsoever of it being the cause of death in order to obtain government funding and other benefits of having a high "Covid" death rate. The world is not what it seems. Flat earth society strikes again.
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Jun 30, 2020 21:19:29 GMT
Yep. Some full on David Icke sh** right there.
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Post by 61666 on Jul 1, 2020 6:46:19 GMT
With the USA buying up the entire world supply of remdesivir, the stage is set for Donald Trump to ransome the planet. USA will be first with a vaccine and all other projects will mysteriously be ended in a series of assassinations and explosions. As a result, access to the vaccine will only be granted if a country agrees to a mega golf course for DTs personal use, along with access to virgins, as required. Fortunately 007 will come to the rescue and Britain will become great again instead, though virgins will still need to beware as they will be required to service the needs of the PM and provide many new offspring to repopulate the country in His image... 😉😆😥☺️😀
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Post by headstone on Jul 1, 2020 8:09:22 GMT
That does indeed sound like a plot for a new Bond film, nothing unrealistic in that lot!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 8:17:45 GMT
Making me optimistic: - Death numbers slowly going down (the way the UK graph goes 2 low days, 5 high and other countries don't, is immediate proof we're counting differently, even if just a reporting delay) - No national case spike from people going to school / beaches / demos / shops - Small outbreaks eg in Weston super Mare quickly controlled (local lockdowns the likely scenario for the coming months?)
Wait and see: - Pubs, summer holidays (people going abroad) - Whether I still have a job in the New Year (if European university budgets are slashed, I might not have)
Make me fkin angry: - Used tissues in the Tesco trolley - Fly-tipping / post-party litter round town especially down by the Thames (our beach...) - USA buying up drugs - other drugs are available so it's not a massive problem, but it's a sign of things to come
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Jul 1, 2020 10:10:21 GMT
My understanding is that the virus is SARS-Cov-2, commonly known as Covid19, because its easier to say and remember as the Cov that came about in 2019. I believe that it is A coronavirus, but you can have a coronavirus that is NOT Covid 19, and never will be. One does not have to become the other. That is the problem with the diagnoses and the numbers. I have a 1996 medical paper describing coronaviruses in the common cold without any fear of them being anything any more harmful than just a cold 23 years before SARS-Cov-2, commonly known as Covid19, suddenly appeared on Planet Earth as a mysterious new more deadly strain of the common Coronavirus. Whether this "new" coronavirus came about by mutation by accident in a wet market or deliberately in a laboratory, depends upon what you choose to believe. My point is the populace are being whipped up into fear anxiety and paranoia about all coronaviruses, even diagnosed with them, and put in needless fear and pointless isolation for nothing more than having a cold, when it is COVID19 that is the real problem, and the thing to be worried about getting. Even more worringly, have the governments of the world been miscounting deaths by natural causes where the deceased had a coronavirus (i.e. a COLD) as Covid19 deaths, to increase the numbers of (alleged) deaths due to Covid19, to justify locking us all in our homes? It would also explain the many cases I have heard from different people of hospitals putting "Covid 19" on death certificates of their loved ones in the UK where they had no proof whatsoever of it being the cause of death in order to obtain government funding and other benefits of having a high "Covid" death rate. The world is not what it seems. Because it's really run by lizards? The virus is called Coronavirus (there's a clue in the name), or, more accurately, SARS-CoV-2 ( Corona Virus). The disease is called COVID-19 (Corona Virus Disease - 2019). It's not complicated. Why are people so ready to accept whatever rubbish they are fed and not question anymore, and if - heaven help us - anyone like me DOES question, they get accused of being David Icke or believing in nutty conspiracy theories? What's happened to free will and independent thought? JDL, I thought that kind of insult was beneath you. I certainly wont stoop that low to you in retaliation. However, you, and everybody else, are still missing the point. Yes, the VIRUS is Coronavirus and the DISEASE is Covid-19 (Thanks for that) and yes the CoV in Covid-19 is from Coronavirus, but my point is still the same - in fact you have made it clearer............you can have the VIRUS (Coronavirus - e.g in a cold, or a flu) but not have the DISEASE - Covid-19. However, all of the literature, signage, warnings, advice............and the NUMBERS (Deaths and infection)..............talks about the coronavirus, i.e the virus. NOT specifically the DISEASE, Covid-19...……..but a coronavirus doesn't have to be Covid-19, nor is a coronavirus bound to develop into it. So, it comes back to my point - why are we therefore in lockdown and in so much paranoia about the virus which we have lived with all of our lives when it is the disease we should be concerned about, and how many actually have the DISEASE and how many have died truly and genuinely as a DIRECT result of the DISEASE (i.e. not just died whilst having a coronavirus that may or may not have been Covid-19?). But there agin I shouldn't be asking such questions, because if I do I have to be a nut job conspiracy theorist - I should just accept everything I am told by our wonderful media that has truth as its bedrock, the science which has no financial gain from any view it takes, the politicians who are never swayed by unseen forces and the global financiers who only have the best interests of you and I and the masses at heart. To believe anything else makes you a David Icke and a flat earther.
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Post by jdl on Jul 1, 2020 11:18:27 GMT
Because it's really run by lizards? The virus is called Coronavirus (there's a clue in the name), or, more accurately, SARS-CoV-2 ( Corona Virus). The disease is called COVID-19 (Corona Virus Disease - 2019). It's not complicated. Why are people so ready to accept whatever rubbish they are fed and not question anymore, and if - heaven help us - anyone like me DOES question, they get accused of being David Icke or believing in nutty conspiracy theories? What's happened to free will and independent thought? JDL, I thought that kind of insult was beneath you. I certainly wont stoop that low to you in retaliation. However, you, and everybody else, are still missing the point. Yes, the VIRUS is Coronavirus and the DISEASE is Covid-19 (Thanks for that) and yes the CoV in Covid-19 is from Coronavirus, but my point is still the same - in fact you have made it clearer............you can have the VIRUS (Coronavirus - e.g in a cold, or a flu) but not have the DISEASE - Covid-19. However, all of the literature, signage, warnings, advice............and the NUMBERS (Deaths and infection)..............talks about the coronavirus, i.e the virus. NOT specifically the DISEASE, Covid-19...……..but a coronavirus doesn't have to be Covid-19, nor is a coronavirus bound to develop into it. So, it comes back to my point - why are we therefore in lockdown and in so much paranoia about the virus which we have lived with all of our lives when it is the disease we should be concerned about, and how many actually have the DISEASE and how many have died truly and genuinely as a DIRECT result of the DISEASE (i.e. not just died whilst having a coronavirus that may or may not have been Covid-19?). But there agin I shouldn't be asking such questions, because if I do I have to be a nut job conspiracy theorist - I should just accept everything I am told by our wonderful media that has truth as its bedrock, the science which has no financial gain from any view it takes, the politicians who are never swayed by unseen forces and the global financiers who only have the best interests of you and I and the masses at heart. To believe anything else makes you a David Icke and a flat earther. OK. You are talking utter bollocks. How's that for clarity?
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Post by daveu on Jul 1, 2020 11:33:05 GMT
Because it's really run by lizards? The virus is called Coronavirus (there's a clue in the name), or, more accurately, SARS-CoV-2 ( Corona Virus). The disease is called COVID-19 (Corona Virus Disease - 2019). It's not complicated. Why are people so ready to accept whatever rubbish they are fed and not question anymore, and if - heaven help us - anyone like me DOES question, they get accused of being David Icke or believing in nutty conspiracy theories? What's happened to free will and independent thought? JDL, I thought that kind of insult was beneath you. I certainly wont stoop that low to you in retaliation. However, you, and everybody else, are still missing the point. Yes, the VIRUS is Coronavirus and the DISEASE is Covid-19 (Thanks for that) and yes the CoV in Covid-19 is from Coronavirus, but my point is still the same - in fact you have made it clearer............you can have the VIRUS (Coronavirus - e.g in a cold, or a flu) but not have the DISEASE - Covid-19. However, all of the literature, signage, warnings, advice............and the NUMBERS (Deaths and infection)..............talks about the coronavirus, i.e the virus. NOT specifically the DISEASE, Covid-19...……..but a coronavirus doesn't have to be Covid-19, nor is a coronavirus bound to develop into it. So, it comes back to my point - why are we therefore in lockdown and in so much paranoia about the virus which we have lived with all of our lives when it is the disease we should be concerned about, and how many actually have the DISEASE and how many have died truly and genuinely as a DIRECT result of the DISEASE (i.e. not just died whilst having a coronavirus that may or may not have been Covid-19?). But there agin I shouldn't be asking such questions, because if I do I have to be a nut job conspiracy theorist - I should just accept everything I am told by our wonderful media that has truth as its bedrock, the science which has no financial gain from any view it takes, the politicians who are never swayed by unseen forces and the global financiers who only have the best interests of you and I and the masses at heart. To believe anything else makes you a David Icke and a flat earther. How about applying your first sentence to yourself.
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Post by jdh80 on Jul 1, 2020 15:57:40 GMT
Because it's really run by lizards? The virus is called Coronavirus (there's a clue in the name), or, more accurately, SARS-CoV-2 ( Corona Virus). The disease is called COVID-19 (Corona Virus Disease - 2019). It's not complicated. Why are people so ready to accept whatever rubbish they are fed and not question anymore, and if - heaven help us - anyone like me DOES question, they get accused of being David Icke or believing in nutty conspiracy theories? What's happened to free will and independent thought? JDL, I thought that kind of insult was beneath you. I certainly wont stoop that low to you in retaliation. However, you, and everybody else, are still missing the point. Yes, the VIRUS is Coronavirus and the DISEASE is Covid-19 (Thanks for that) and yes the CoV in Covid-19 is from Coronavirus, but my point is still the same - in fact you have made it clearer............you can have the VIRUS (Coronavirus - e.g in a cold, or a flu) but not have the DISEASE - Covid-19. However, all of the literature, signage, warnings, advice............and the NUMBERS (Deaths and infection)..............talks about the coronavirus, i.e the virus. NOT specifically the DISEASE, Covid-19...……..but a coronavirus doesn't have to be Covid-19, nor is a coronavirus bound to develop into it. So, it comes back to my point - why are we therefore in lockdown and in so much paranoia about the virus which we have lived with all of our lives when it is the disease we should be concerned about, and how many actually have the DISEASE and how many have died truly and genuinely as a DIRECT result of the DISEASE (i.e. not just died whilst having a coronavirus that may or may not have been Covid-19?). But there agin I shouldn't be asking such questions, because if I do I have to be a nut job conspiracy theorist - I should just accept everything I am told by our wonderful media that has truth as its bedrock, the science which has no financial gain from any view it takes, the politicians who are never swayed by unseen forces and the global financiers who only have the best interests of you and I and the masses at heart. To believe anything else makes you a David Icke and a flat earther. This coming from the guy who earlier was claiming that the new 5g phone network that was being installed was the cause of the covid19 outbreak in this country. Stop reading all the shared crap on social media, stop letting the press put fear and paranoia in to yourself and take a step back, look at the recent blm protests and the riots, the recent mass beach invasions the predicted mass infections that these events would bring have not been seen, therefore with social distancing in place we can start to regain some normality or better yet a better way of living. The biggest problem we have facing us is humans acting responsibly and that scares me more than anything you've typed as most humans are complete selfish fwits incapable of acting responsibly.
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Post by 61666 on Jul 1, 2020 19:15:06 GMT
Yup, HM Gov may have made more than a bit of a bollix of things, but had they done a Brazil, or even a USA, we would be looking at 100k deaths by now. As for the litter, it beggars belief how selfish some people are. Thank goodness for the likes of Captain Tom and the little boy with prosthetic legs, who put them all to shame.
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Jul 1, 2020 19:41:11 GMT
Because it's really run by lizards? The virus is called Coronavirus (there's a clue in the name), or, more accurately, SARS-CoV-2 ( Corona Virus). The disease is called COVID-19 (Corona Virus Disease - 2019). It's not complicated. Why are people so ready to accept whatever rubbish they are fed and not question anymore, and if - heaven help us - anyone like me DOES question, they get accused of being David Icke or believing in nutty conspiracy theories? What's happened to free will and independent thought? JDL, I thought that kind of insult was beneath you. I certainly wont stoop that low to you in retaliation. However, you, and everybody else, are still missing the point. Yes, the VIRUS is Coronavirus and the DISEASE is Covid-19 (Thanks for that) and yes the CoV in Covid-19 is from Coronavirus, but my point is still the same - in fact you have made it clearer............you can have the VIRUS (Coronavirus - e.g in a cold, or a flu) but not have the DISEASE - Covid-19. However, all of the literature, signage, warnings, advice............and the NUMBERS (Deaths and infection)..............talks about the coronavirus, i.e the virus. NOT specifically the DISEASE, Covid-19...……..but a coronavirus doesn't have to be Covid-19, nor is a coronavirus bound to develop into it. So, it comes back to my point - why are we therefore in lockdown and in so much paranoia about the virus which we have lived with all of our lives when it is the disease we should be concerned about, and how many actually have the DISEASE and how many have died truly and genuinely as a DIRECT result of the DISEASE (i.e. not just died whilst having a coronavirus that may or may not have been Covid-19?). But there agin I shouldn't be asking such questions, because if I do I have to be a nut job conspiracy theorist - I should just accept everything I am told by our wonderful media that has truth as its bedrock, the science which has no financial gain from any view it takes, the politicians who are never swayed by unseen forces and the global financiers who only have the best interests of you and I and the masses at heart. To believe anything else makes you a David Icke and a flat earther. Absolutely batshit.
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Post by Bernie on Jul 1, 2020 21:01:26 GMT
So anyway, next season...
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