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Post by pedant on Jun 30, 2020 10:04:37 GMT
Terry's letter was optimistic about what the government was due to announce, but I can't remember anything of much use to MUFC in that announcement except reducing the social distancing to 1m. There wasn't anything specificaly about football. My guess is that Johnson doesn't give a flying fig about football, and probably isn't even aware there is football below the Premier (certainly not below the EFL). As far as he's concerned, the rich clubs can do OK from TV, and the rest just isn't important. Certainly not enough to be worrying about when he's already taking huge risks reopening the economy with the virus still rampant. He'll wait and see if there's any second wave before he does any more. And the 'scientific' thinking seems to be that any second wave won't occur until the autumn, so we'll have to wait until then (although I fear that the virus isn't going to cooperate and wait that long). Put that lot together and factor in the time it will take to recruit players and get in enough training to be ready to play, and I can't see this season starting much before Christmas. And, if there is a significant second wave, not even then. I still think there's a good chance that there won't actually be a season at all. So, I wouldn't worry too much about season tickets at the moment... Worryingly too many people are taking that incorrect interpretation of what he announced.
Not that people were taking notice of the 2m before then either.
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Post by jdl on Jun 30, 2020 10:37:24 GMT
Once the pubs open and the hot weather returns, we are fucked. All the sacrifices will be for nothing. You might as well find someone with Convid and get it over with.
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Post by jdl on Jun 30, 2020 10:50:02 GMT
Terry's letter was optimistic about what the government was due to announce, but I can't remember anything of much use to MUFC in that announcement except reducing the social distancing to 1m. There wasn't anything specificaly about football. My guess is that Johnson doesn't give a flying fig about football, and probably isn't even aware there is football below the Premier (certainly not below the EFL). As far as he's concerned, the rich clubs can do OK from TV, and the rest just isn't important. Certainly not enough to be worrying about when he's already taking huge risks reopening the economy with the virus still rampant. He'll wait and see if there's any second wave before he does any more. And the 'scientific' thinking seems to be that any second wave won't occur until the autumn, so we'll have to wait until then (although I fear that the virus isn't going to cooperate and wait that long). Put that lot together and factor in the time it will take to recruit players and get in enough training to be ready to play, and I can't see this season starting much before Christmas. And, if there is a significant second wave, not even then. I still think there's a good chance that there won't actually be a season at all. So, I wouldn't worry too much about season tickets at the moment... Have you taken on sennockian role as being the cheery one around here?? Don't blame the messengers, just look at the facts I am surprisingly cheery, despite everything. I'm desperate to get back to JWW. But even more desperate to avoid the bloody virus. And I have no faith in this 'government' at all - they are led by an idiot, whose strings are pulled by a nonelected weirdo, and the rest are incompetent, at the best. They are driven almost entirely by their friends in business, who care only about their bottom lines, and don't give a f**k about us or our health. How non-league football can thrive under those conditions is beyond me.
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Post by jdl on Jun 30, 2020 11:00:11 GMT
Can everyone tell us their qualifications in epidemiology and virology. Personally, all I know is a wild guess, based on who I choose to believe that day. I will buy a season ticket this year, so the club gets money. If I don’t get to every game, that’s no different to normal. I'm happy to buy a season ticket even if (as seems likely) I miss all the matches. I just want my club to still be there when this is all over. Losing your club once in a lifetime is more than enough. I have made this offer to the club twice, but (understandably, I suppose) they haven't replied. As for being an expert, no, but you can educate yourself. There's plenty of books, newspaper articles, podcasts, YouTube videos, etc around. An excellent place to start is Quammen's book Spillover - very thorough and scientificly sound, but readable too (and frightenly accurate in its predictions). But if you don't fancy that, or can't get it, there's plenty of stuff online.
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Post by sword65 on Jun 30, 2020 11:22:55 GMT
Can everyone tell us their qualifications in epidemiology and virology. Personally, all I know is a wild guess, based on who I choose to believe that day. I will buy a season ticket this year, so the club gets money. If I don’t get to every game, that’s no different to normal. I'm happy to buy a season ticket even if (as seems likely) I miss all the matches. I just want my club to still be there when this is all over. Losing your club once in a lifetime is more than enough. I have made this offer to the club twice, but (understandably, I suppose) they haven't replied. As for being an expert, no, but you can educate yourself. There's plenty of books, newspaper articles, podcasts, YouTube videos, etc around. An excellent place to start is Quammen's book Spillover - very thorough and scientificly sound, but readable too (and frightenly accurate in its predictions). But if you don't fancy that, or can't get it, there's plenty of stuff online. Just think JDL if you buy your season ticket it will pay one of our players for his first and possibly second training sessions and then it's gone,your hard earned money goes straight into the pocket of just one player,frightening isnt it. Now tell me they are not overpaid. Before people jump on my back this is every player in every club not just ours.
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Post by daveu on Jun 30, 2020 11:25:36 GMT
JDL, what you have to take into account is that it's no longer just about the virus. If the government waits for the virus to be eradicated then we'll be locked down for years. It simply ain't gonna happen because no country could survive it. Even with an effective vaccination thousands of people will still get it, look at seasonal flu. We are going back to normal at some point, hence the gradual easing of restrictions. I'm pretty sure the season will start in September with around 50% capacity and compulsory face coverings for spectators.
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Post by Bernie on Jun 30, 2020 11:36:35 GMT
I find people tend to believe what they decide to believe and look just for supporting evidence. I’m happy to admit I know nothing, do my best to be sensible, then see how it pans out.
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Post by jdl on Jun 30, 2020 13:53:38 GMT
JDL, what you have to take into account is that it's no longer just about the virus. If the government waits for the virus to be eradicated then we'll be locked down for years. It simply ain't gonna happen because no country could survive it. Even with an effective vaccination thousands of people will still get it, look at seasonal flu. We are going back to normal at some point, hence the gradual easing of restrictions. I'm pretty sure the season will start in September with around 50% capacity and compulsory face coverings for spectators. If the virus comes back, another lockdown will do far more economic damage than delaying the relaxation would have done. They have relaxed too soon - the R number needs to be consistently lower, and an effective test, track and trace system needs to be up and running to catch and stop new outbreaks. Your comparison with seasonal flu is flawed, as that constantly mutates, so the best they can do is inoculate you against an old variety, that they guess is the most likely to be around still. I had my vaccination as usual last autumn, only to get hit by different strain in December. The Corona virus is not a flu virus, and is very stable and so far has shown no tendency to mutate, so an effective vaccine (if one can be found) should do the job - just as with all the other viruses we no longer get.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Jun 30, 2020 15:09:04 GMT
Can we just clarify something here? If we are waiting for CORONAVIRUS or CORONAVIRUSES to be eradicated football will never exist again and we will be in eternal lockdown as coronavirus and coronaviruses are in the common cold and always have been.
Lets use the correct term. Covid 19 is the specific and unique coronavirus that we are in abject fear and terror of and is nasty and we need to avoid. If we are trying to avoid coronaviruses in general that's ridiculous because we will never stop getting colds.
Its not a small point because coronavirus and coronaviruses are very common, quite normal and a nuisance but harmless, so we must not build fear and paranoia about them - we have been living with them all of our lives.
Covid 19 is serious, but the NHS test only says that you are positive for Coronavirus, not Covid 19, so it can actually only tell you if you have a cold. Does this mean that the figures we are fed daily of "those infected with coronavirus" and "those who have died of coronavirus" actually refer to those who died from other causes whilst having a cold?
Makes you wonder how widespread actual, real, genuine Covid 19 actually is, if we are confusing the two so badly!
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Post by sword65 on Jun 30, 2020 15:31:43 GMT
JDL, what you have to take into account is that it's no longer just about the virus. If the government waits for the virus to be eradicated then we'll be locked down for years. It simply ain't gonna happen because no country could survive it. Even with an effective vaccination thousands of people will still get it, look at seasonal flu. We are going back to normal at some point, hence the gradual easing of restrictions. I'm pretty sure the season will start in September with around 50% capacity and compulsory face coverings for spectators. If the virus comes back, another lockdown will do far more economic damage than delaying the relaxation would have done. They have relaxed too soon - the R number needs to be consistently lower, and an effective test, track and trace system needs to be up and running to catch and stop new outbreaks. Your comparison with seasonal flu is flawed, as that constantly mutates, so the best they can do is inoculate you against an old variety, that they guess is the most likely to be around still. I had my vaccination as usual last autumn, only to get hit by different strain in December. The Corona virus is not a flu virus, and is very stable and so far has shown no tendency to mutate, so an effective vaccine (if one can be found) should do the job - just as with all the other viruses we no longer get. Rather interesting the other day as government official figures said there were 625 new cases in the UK, 637 of these 625 cases were in Leicester,HMMM!
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Post by Harry on Jun 30, 2020 15:36:46 GMT
Coronavirus causes Covid-19. Yes ?
Just like HIV and Aids.
In both cases, the first being the virus and the second being the disease.
Or have I got it wrong ?
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Post by Sennockian69 on Jun 30, 2020 15:38:38 GMT
Terry's letter was optimistic about what the government was due to announce, but I can't remember anything of much use to MUFC in that announcement except reducing the social distancing to 1m. There wasn't anything specificaly about football. My guess is that Johnson doesn't give a flying fig about football, and probably isn't even aware there is football below the Premier (certainly not below the EFL). As far as he's concerned, the rich clubs can do OK from TV, and the rest just isn't important. Certainly not enough to be worrying about when he's already taking huge risks reopening the economy with the virus still rampant. He'll wait and see if there's any second wave before he does any more. And the 'scientific' thinking seems to be that any second wave won't occur until the autumn, so we'll have to wait until then (although I fear that the virus isn't going to cooperate and wait that long). Put that lot together and factor in the time it will take to recruit players and get in enough training to be ready to play, and I can't see this season starting much before Christmas. And, if there is a significant second wave, not even then. I still think there's a good chance that there won't actually be a season at all. So, I wouldn't worry too much about season tickets at the moment... Have you taken on sennockian role as being the cheery one around here?? I hate usurpers!
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Post by Sennockian69 on Jun 30, 2020 15:43:43 GMT
Can everyone tell us their qualifications in epidemiology and virology. Personally, all I know is a wild guess, based on who I choose to believe that day. I will buy a season ticket this year, so the club gets money. If I don’t get to every game, that’s no different to normal. I'm happy to buy a season ticket even if (as seems likely) I miss all the matches. I just want my club to still be there when this is all over. Losing your club once in a lifetime is more than enough. I have made this offer to the club twice, but (understandably, I suppose) they haven't replied. As for being an expert, no, but you can educate yourself. There's plenty of books, newspaper articles, podcasts, YouTube videos, etc around. An excellent place to start is Quammen's book Spillover - very thorough and scientificly sound, but readable too (and frightenly accurate in its predictions). But if you don't fancy that, or can't get it, there's plenty of stuff online. I see your sources are unreliable as per usual.
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Post by pwoodstone on Jun 30, 2020 16:48:23 GMT
Coronavirus causes Covid-19. Yes ? Just like HIV and Aids. In both cases, the first being the virus and the second being the disease. Or have I got it wrong ? COVID-19 and Coronavirus are both names given to the disease. The virus is SARS-Cov-2.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Jun 30, 2020 18:06:05 GMT
Coronavirus causes Covid-19. Yes ? Just like HIV and Aids. In both cases, the first being the virus and the second being the disease. Or have I got it wrong ? COVID-19 and Coronavirus are both names given to the disease. The virus is SARS-Cov-2. My understanding is that the virus is SARS-Cov-2, commonly known as Covid19, because its easier to say and remember as the Cov that came about in 2019. I believe that it is A coronavirus, but you can have a coronavirus that is NOT Covid 19, and never will be. One does not have to become the other. That is the problem with the diagnoses and the numbers. I have a 1996 medical paper describing coronaviruses in the common cold without any fear of them being anything any more harmful than just a cold 23 years before SARS-Cov-2, commonly known as Covid19, suddenly appeared on Planet Earth as a mysterious new more deadly strain of the common Coronavirus. Whether this "new" coronavirus came about by mutation by accident in a wet market or deliberately in a laboratory, depends upon what you choose to believe. My point is the populace are being whipped up into fear anxiety and paranoia about all coronaviruses, even diagnosed with them, and put in needless fear and pointless isolation for nothing more than having a cold, when it is COVID19 that is the real problem, and the thing to be worried about getting. Even more worringly, have the governments of the world been miscounting deaths by natural causes where the deceased had a coronavirus (i.e. a COLD) as Covid19 deaths, to increase the numbers of (alleged) deaths due to Covid19, to justify locking us all in our homes? It would also explain the many cases I have heard from different people of hospitals putting "Covid 19" on death certificates of their loved ones in the UK where they had no proof whatsoever of it being the cause of death in order to obtain government funding and other benefits of having a high "Covid" death rate. The world is not what it seems.
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