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Post by sword65 on Jun 19, 2020 9:50:48 GMT
Where is this sum of £60,000 coming from and what's it for? The chairman of Gateshead has said that this would be the price of extending contracts and travel expenditure should Gateshead reach and win the playoff final. As they lay 7th in the table all 3 games would be away from home.
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Post by davec on Jun 19, 2020 10:33:21 GMT
Tbh it's a bit irksome to discover that a club with half our support and 3rd from bottom, appoint a new manager and end up in the play-offs, just didn't seem too hard for them. Apparently keeping their players on the books and preparing for the play-offs hasn't been much of a problem either. Stones on the other hand, with our mega experienced management duo having all the time in the World to plan and improve the team, finished the season in a nose-dive, bottom of the form league and then we go into shut-down. Just as well we can trust in Hak to revive our fortunes. With Dartford council owning the stadium and backing them to the hilt. We on the other hand are financed by 2 people saddled with a large debt which needs servicing and no income to do so
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Post by jdl on Jun 19, 2020 11:20:46 GMT
Tbh it's a bit irksome to discover that a club with half our support and 3rd from bottom, appoint a new manager and end up in the play-offs, just didn't seem too hard for them. Apparently keeping their players on the books and preparing for the play-offs hasn't been much of a problem either. Stones on the other hand, with our mega experienced management duo having all the time in the World to plan and improve the team, finished the season in a nose-dive, bottom of the form league and then we go into shut-down. Just as well we can trust in Hak to revive our fortunes. With Dartford council owning the stadium and backing them to the hilt. We on the other hand are financed by 2 people saddled with a large debt which needs servicing and no income to do so Not sure about the 'serviced' bit. I'm pretty sure O&T don't charge the club interest on the loans. I suspect the reality is more along the lines others have suggested. The club just happened to be at a point where two attempts at recovery had failed when the virus struck, and there was no immediate point in continuing to fund the club while we all wait to see what happens. In a way, this has been a lucky break for a club stuck in a downward spiral it was having trouble breaking out of. It gives O&T a chance to pause, take stock, and start again. If I were them, I'd forget Hak and the last two seasons, get in a proven, young non-league manager (not necessarily Jay, but he'd be on the list), and give him carte blanche to build a new side - with as many local youngsters as possible. I'd tell him to forget the last few years, imagine we'd just been promoted and needed to rebuild for a higher level of football. And, most important, give him two years to show us what he can do. Got to be better than the last two seasons.
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Post by Bernie on Jun 19, 2020 11:55:02 GMT
I start by saying this is not any kind of criticism of our wonderful owners. They have recently tried to sell the club, or at the very least, share the burden/fun (delete one) with a new investor. Terry and Oliver are not going to take any financial risks in these unprecedented times. We will go part time; let's face it, full time was not a roaring success. They know Hak, as a man, presumably someone they like and trust. They could get rid of him, so if they don't there must be good reasons. Nobody knows what the next year or two will be like for society, or for Maidstone United. But I am happy the club is in good hands and will come out the other side intact.
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Post by Nick on Jun 19, 2020 12:13:20 GMT
Spot on JDL !
This stuff about the Council backing the Darts to the hilt. We know the stadium is owned by the Council but I can see nothing in the accounts to suggest that the Council is subsidising the club in any other way. The reason the club has had a good season is down to good management, nothing else.
JDL is right, the club is not saddled with servicing a large debt as claimed by davec.
Just not true, there is no interest being paid and no repayment on the debt.
"If I were them, I'd forget Hak and the last two seasons, get in a proven, young non-league manager (not necessarily Jay, but he'd be on the list), and give him carte blanche to build a new side".
I think you are dead right again JDL. You have nailed it. If only !!
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Post by Stonethecrow on Jun 19, 2020 12:21:36 GMT
I think JDL has sighted the elephant in the room.
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Post by Harry on Jun 19, 2020 12:25:56 GMT
It's either that or he spotted the emperors clothes.
Whichever, stating the obvious is sometimes the hardest thing
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Post by Rob on Jun 19, 2020 12:31:31 GMT
No question Hak is a nice bloke and can be trusted.
But as somebody said the season didn't finish a day too soon.
We were on a downward spiral and it was getting worse.
Hak is a safe enough pair of hands but to achieve what exactly ?
What a great time to stop, pause, reflect and start again.
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Post by jackster on Jun 19, 2020 12:34:48 GMT
The thing is if you compare Hak and Jay in what they have achieved, JS wins by a country mile
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Post by pwoodstone on Jun 19, 2020 12:40:05 GMT
The thing is if you compare Hak and Jay in what they have achieved, JS wins by a country mile True but if you compare JS1 and JS2, JS2 wins by a country mile and how did that work out. These comparisons are usually pointless.
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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2020 12:44:38 GMT
I can still remember TC saying that he wanted to give the supporters hope when they released Jay Saunders.
To stick with Hak now would like be giving up on hope for something better.
Jay Saunders is not the solution but he is a solution.
We need somebody like him, with his character, know how and track record.
It doesn't have to be Jay, just somebody as good as him.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Jun 19, 2020 12:55:33 GMT
With Dartford council owning the stadium and backing them to the hilt. We on the other hand are financed by 2 people saddled with a large debt which needs servicing and no income to do so Not sure about the 'serviced' bit. I'm pretty sure O&T don't charge the club interest on the loans. I suspect the reality is more along the lines others have suggested. The club just happened to be at a point where two attempts at recovery had failed when the virus struck, and there was no immediate point in continuing to fund the club while we all wait to see what happens. In a way, this has been a lucky break for a club stuck in a downward spiral it was having trouble breaking out of. It gives O&T a chance to pause, take stock, and start again. If I were them, I'd forget Hak and the last two seasons, get in a proven, young non-league manager (not necessarily Jay, but he'd be on the list), and give him carte blanche to build a new side - with as many local youngsters as possible. I'd tell him to forget the last few years, imagine we'd just been promoted and needed to rebuild for a higher level of football. And, most important, give him two years to show us what he can do.Got to be better than the last two seasons. Brilliant, JDL. As Dan says, if not Jay, someone LIKE Jay. Love the bit about "Imagine we'd just been promoted and needed to rebuild for a higher level of football" - Spot On, and I'm sorry, but Haks not the man for that job. If Oliver, Terry and Bill DO stick with him, then we will have to back the Hak, but I prefer the JDL view on this one. ………..and we have to get moving soon, as well!
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Post by pigbag on Jun 19, 2020 13:05:02 GMT
Jay did a wonderful job in getting us promotions but having got into the NL his record is not so good. Has everyone forgotten how dire his last season was? We lost game after game in the second half of the season and the reason he gave time after time was "It was one of them" One or 2 may have been acceptable but it was week after week and with each defeat his interviews became more despondent, he had run out of ideas and was no longer able to lift the team. Then high hopes for the next season but look at the signings he made, does anyone think they would have kept us up?
Having said that it was clear our scouting network was almost non existent. Jays contacts were with the part-time players and we needed more. He did not have the biggest budget and he had his personal problems but if he could not do it then why do people think he could take the club forward now. He is a good bloke and will always be a legend but even legends pass their sell by date. If he had been as good as some suggest why has he not been offered the mangers job at Dartford or Dover?
I think Hak should be given a season along with Ryan Gordon who seems to have an eye for good young players.
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Post by Stonethecrow on Jun 19, 2020 13:12:51 GMT
Jay did so much better than John Still and Hak put together last season.
In fact Jay Saunders only had one season in the National South and we can all remember how that finished.
Life was a struggle in the National league on a below average playing budget, but Jay's teams always did enough.
Talking about teams, he built, rebuilt them and rebuilt them again as ww got promotion after promotion.
He was a tough manager who wasn't afraid to change things or players and he said it how it was.
As for his most match interviews, he was always so honest, with none of the bull shit that has followed.
What is it that Hak has done that merits another wasted season.
Last year he had John to lean on, take the crutch away and see what happens
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Post by Harry on Jun 19, 2020 13:16:08 GMT
Agree with bbj.
It's too early to write next season off altogether.
Hak is not the man for the job
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