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Post by sword65 on Apr 14, 2020 8:35:57 GMT
Sundays non league paper reports that 9 clubs have resigned from their leagues and NFK Burbage have folded. The clubs are spread across steps 5-7 but do not be surprised if teams from higher divisions follow. This is only the beginning of the carnage to come and I wonder just how many clubs will succumb to COVID 19. The Fa have also told AFC Bury they will have to start life at level 8 that is same level as Kent county league division 1.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 9:31:53 GMT
As I posted before, I'd think and hope that there is scope for clubs to do an Ashford (and Faversham?) and "hibernate" for a season, fundraising with minimal expenses. But there will be some who go forever. What's the latest on FA / Premier League giving out emergency funding? (can't be ar53d to google it)
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 14, 2020 9:58:41 GMT
We could see a real change in how the different leagues are made up. Gravesend surely cannot afford to stay in the NL while a couple of NLS/NLN sides might want to step up (York City for example). The clubs that will struggle are the ones that rely on owners' handouts. If the owners' own businesses have suffered there will not be spare millions to spend on football. Dover could really suffer without Sir Jim's millions.
Once the dust settles I think we will be ok. Tucked nicely into NLS with crowds of around 1,500 bringing in regular revenue on a reduced and sensible PT budget.
The clubs with debts are the ones likely to go to the wall.
The football bubble was always going to burst sometime...
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Post by sword65 on Apr 14, 2020 10:15:22 GMT
As I posted before, I'd think and hope that there is scope for clubs to do an Ashford (and Faversham?) and "hibernate" for a season, fundraising with minimal expenses. But there will be some who go forever. What's the latest on FA / Premier League giving out emergency funding? (can't be ar53d to google it) As far as I know the emergency fund stretches down as far as NLN & NLS, anyone below this level does not exist. How much we get hasn't been mentioned but i assume it'll be around the tuppence ha'penny mark.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Apr 14, 2020 10:18:25 GMT
We could see a real change in how the different leagues are made up. Gravesend surely cannot afford to stay in the NL while a couple of NLS/NLN sides might want to step up (York City for example). The clubs that will struggle are the ones that rely on owners' handouts. If the owners' own businesses have suffered there will not be spare millions to spend on football. Dover could really suffer without Sir Jim's millions. Once the dust settles I think we will be ok. Tucked nicely into NLS with crowds of around 1,500 bringing in regular revenue on a reduced and sensible PT budget. The clubs with debts are the ones likely to go to the wall. The football bubble was always going to burst sometime... Makes you thank the Lord for our owners once again for keeping us a sensible club financially. We don't know what we look like player wise or Manager wise on the restart but at least we will have a club to restart with, thanks to them.
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 14, 2020 10:25:35 GMT
It is at a time like this we must really thank Oliver and Terry for being sensible and not throwing money chasing the dream.
We could eventually be in a strong position compared to other clubs because we have the one thing an owners' money cannot buy for the long-term... a great and relatively large fanbase.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 10:43:00 GMT
We could see a real change in how the different leagues are made up. Gravesend surely cannot afford to stay in the NL while a couple of NLS/NLN sides might want to step up (York City for example). The clubs that will struggle are the ones that rely on owners' handouts. If the owners' own businesses have suffered there will not be spare millions to spend on football. Dover could really suffer without Sir Jim's millions. Once the dust settles I think we will be ok. Tucked nicely into NLS with crowds of around 1,500 bringing in regular revenue on a reduced and sensible PT budget. The clubs with debts are the ones likely to go to the wall. The football bubble was always going to burst sometime... So you're thinking voluntary relegations and maybe other teams invited to move up in their place? Interesting and perfectly sensible. [not often that gets said about a post on here...]
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 14, 2020 10:47:32 GMT
Yes.. I expect some clubs will ask to be relegated.. as already happens sometimes in nonleague. I am sure some of the less well-supported NL teams will not be able to compete in a National League?? So much travelling and expense involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 10:51:07 GMT
As I posted before, I'd think and hope that there is scope for clubs to do an Ashford (and Faversham?) and "hibernate" for a season, fundraising with minimal expenses. But there will be some who go forever. What's the latest on FA / Premier League giving out emergency funding? (can't be ar53d to google it) As far as I know the emergency fund stretches down as far as NLN & NLS, anyone below this level does not exist. How much we get hasn't been mentioned but i assume it'll be around the tuppence ha'penny mark. Google got the better of me. £2m for the 68 NL clubs. Shared equally: £29411 each. As is more likely, if it's £1m for NL and £1m for NN and NS: £41666 for NL clubs, £22727 at step 2. That's only about a match's worth of gate receipts, but better than nothing. A couple of Chris Smallings, if you will.
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Post by pedant on Apr 14, 2020 10:56:15 GMT
As far as I know the emergency fund stretches down as far as NLN & NLS, anyone below this level does not exist. How much we get hasn't been mentioned but i assume it'll be around the tuppence ha'penny mark. Google got the better of me. £2m for the 68 NL clubs. Shared equally: £29411 each. As is more likely, if it's £1m for NL and £1m for NN and NS: £41666 for NL clubs, £22727 at step 2. That's only about a match's worth of gate receipts, but better than nothing. A couple of Chris Smallings, if you will. Think I've read that the split is more weighted to the National League sides - no surprise there - and that NLN and NLS sides get around £13500 each.
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Post by hammerstone on Apr 14, 2020 11:21:34 GMT
I think if/when football resumes for a new season we will see a much more even set up for the league, in as far as no outlandish spending/sugar daddy type teams which will be only a good thing.
Whilst we may have spent unwisely in the past we are still in a far better position than most other clubs who will no longer be able to throw money around due to belts being tightened and we can only thank our owners for keeping us on that even keel in a way a lot of others simply won’t be able to compete considering some teams average gates.
Hopefully when there’s some clarity on things everyone gets behind the team as much as they can by getting a season ticket etc which will help the club immensely in the early stages
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Post by haggis on Apr 14, 2020 11:29:24 GMT
Google got the better of me. £2m for the 68 NL clubs. Shared equally: £29411 each. As is more likely, if it's £1m for NL and £1m for NN and NS: £41666 for NL clubs, £22727 at step 2. That's only about a match's worth of gate receipts, but better than nothing. A couple of Chris Smallings, if you will. Think I've read that the split is more weighted to the National League sides - no surprise there - and that NLN and NLS sides get around £13500 each. The actual amounts are listed here kentishfootball.co.uk/news/NationalLeague090420
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Post by 61666 on Apr 14, 2020 12:56:57 GMT
I think if/when football resumes for a new season we will see a much more even set up for the league, in as far as no outlandish spending/sugar daddy type teams which will be only a good thing. Whilst we may have spent unwisely in the past we are still in a far better position than most other clubs who will no longer be able to throw money around due to belts being tightened and we can only thank our owners for keeping us on that even keel in a way a lot of others simply won’t be able to compete considering some teams average gates. Hopefully when there’s some clarity on things everyone gets behind the team as much as they can by getting a season ticket etc which will help the club immensely in the early stages Alternatively, businesses that have done well out of Wuflu/MylieCyrus could become the new sugar daddies. Examples might include: Ocadover Amazonfleet Facemask FC Tonbridge Am sure there will be some better ones out there...
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Post by jdl on Apr 14, 2020 14:20:12 GMT
As far as I know the emergency fund stretches down as far as NLN & NLS, anyone below this level does not exist. How much we get hasn't been mentioned but i assume it'll be around the tuppence ha'penny mark. Google got the better of me. £2m for the 68 NL clubs. Shared equally: £29411 each. As is more likely, if it's £1m for NL and £1m for NN and NS: £41666 for NL clubs, £22727 at step 2. That's only about a match's worth of gate receipts, but better than nothing. A couple of Chris Smallings, if you will. Interesting and perfectly sensible.
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Post by jdl on Apr 14, 2020 14:33:08 GMT
So, Dover, Bromley and Fleet get over four times as much as us... £13,636 - equivalent to a gate of 909, at £15 each. At a guess, probably about, or a little short of, an average game's income for us (excl STs)?
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