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Post by jdl on Apr 7, 2020 23:19:22 GMT
Well, unless he gets a better offer (which I would guess is pretty unlikely), we'll hopefully find out in a few months time.
Right now, I don't really care who's in charge (Clown excepted), I just want to see some football again! This could be the first time in 18 years that I get to see the early season games, so let's hope this bloody virus has pissed off by then.
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Post by sword65 on Apr 7, 2020 23:20:50 GMT
This is all very speculative but let us not forget the fact that the season is not yet over. We all believe it is but there is nothing official yet so as it stands we still have the chance to go up. Now should that happen ,will we have the budget to stay full time in the NL?
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Post by jdl on Apr 7, 2020 23:33:02 GMT
This is all very speculative but let us not forget the fact that the season is not yet over. We all believe it is but there is nothing official yet so as it stands we still have the chance to go up. Now should that happen ,will we have the budget to stay full time in the NL? Er... no. Not going to happen though, is it? Players' contracts all expire in three weeks time. Chances are, we'll still be in full lockdown by then. And, even when they start to ease it, football games aren't going to be first on the list of things we can do again. Fingers crossed we'll be OK for the pre-season friendlies in July, but I wouldn't put any money on it. And, even if the season does get underway on time, what's the chance of escaping further restriction in the autumn, once Wu Flu comes back? I can't see normal football until there's a vaccine available - hopefully 21/22. Then we crack on and win the NS!!
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Post by hongkongstone on Apr 8, 2020 5:02:16 GMT
Whatever people thought of JS1 at least his time at the club represented a period of relative stability and possibly enabled his teams to perform better as a whole than the sum of the parts. Yes, there were player changes annually but no wholescale clearouts unlike that which was witnessed under the clown last season - with dire consequences.
This season has almost been a restart from ground zero but my point is that stability is needed. There is a good nucleus of players there including Lewington, Hoyte, Elokobi, Chesmain, Corne, Khan, Temelci and Akambi with others who have a bit more to prove. If we had that mythical 25 goal a season centre forward then we wouldn't even be having this debate.
My point is that if we flip-flop between PT & FT we will almost be starting from scratch yet again. Ask yourself how many of the above names would stay if we went PT tomorrow? What we need is a stable team core to build upon for future progress.
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Post by headstone on Apr 8, 2020 8:34:59 GMT
I agree about those players, apart from Lewington, Hoyte, Elokobi, Chesmain and Corne; if you assess them solely on their performances against Eastbourne!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 9:06:46 GMT
Jayser, what did you mean when you say that inconsistent individual performances are a problem when you are professional? It means something to you but nothing to me. If you have nothing better to do please explain your rationale. yes I will be happy to explain that. Your average semi-pro footballer started out in the youth squad at a professional club, before someone decided they weren't going to make the grade, whereupon they slip into the non league structure. Having followed this level of football for many years, I would say that a high percentage of these players are capable, on their day, of looking like they could play at a higher level but it's rare for these guys to produce that sort of form on a regular basis. It is one of the fundamental reasons why they end up playing semi-pro in the first place. To a large extent, the managers and employers of these players must surely accept that they aren't going to get consistent superstar players with the money they are offering, or indeed if the offer is part-time only. With regard to professionals, I think it is reasonable to expect a better level of consistency. You are paying a full-time wage to a player who trains more often, supposedly sharpening their fitness, ball skills and form to a higher level. If they cannot do that - and a number of our players have failed to do it - then we must question whether they are deserving of being full-time professional footballers. What other employment can you think of where, if you worked hard and contributed well to your business two days a week but the rest of the time you were below-par, would it be deemed acceptable? Too many of our players have had regular shockers this season to justify a full-time wage - that's my view. Anyhow, I hope that makes sense, whether you agree with it or not.
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Post by daveu on Apr 8, 2020 10:22:31 GMT
I get why we would go part time now, although what that means for players still under contract isn't clear. However I don't accept the argument that the best part time players are better than the full time ones we can afford. The only supporting argument is performances but there's nothing to compare them with so it just doesn't stand up.
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Post by nws on Apr 8, 2020 11:03:40 GMT
I doubt PT or FT has any bearing on the things you name. It does cost less money though so there is one advantage, i guess. You may doubt it, but check out with Terry and Oliver why they maintained a full time squad. There is only a single advantage of going part time and that is it costs less money. So we can agree on something. But the idea that part-time players automatically produce better football, better results and a better league position is simply 'for the fairies'. I'm not sure what sort of reply you are expecting. I merely entered this tedious disagreement to point out logic to Mr U. Now i seem to be under attack as though i am an advocate of PT. To make sure everyone understands. I don't think FT or PT necessarily guarantees better team spirit or individual or team performances. Everyone can argue it does from either side of the fence and they will be incorrect. I dont understand why we cant have FT and PT players in a mix
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Post by jdl on Apr 8, 2020 12:27:31 GMT
So, who of the present squad would we keep, and who of those would be prepared to go PT?
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Post by Stonethecrow on Apr 8, 2020 12:43:06 GMT
Strange thing is we have plenty of decent players I would be happy to see next season.
Chris Lewington Gavin Hoyte George Elokobi Noah Chesmain Ryan Johnson Saidou Khan Sam Corne Zihni Temelci Ibby Akanbi Ibrahim Olutade
I have left out Dan Wishart - he will want far too much money and probably Andre Boucard for the same reason. Not sure about Marshall, but he ain't that far away as a young centre back. But there may be a few on my retain list who we can't afford.
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Post by sword65 on Apr 8, 2020 12:57:35 GMT
Strange thing is we have plenty of decent players I would be happy to see next season. Chris Lewington Gavin Hoyte George Elokobi Noah Chesmain Ryan Johnson Saidou Khan Sam Corne Zihni Temelci Ibby Akanbi Ibrahim Olutade I have left out Dan Wishart - he will want far too much money and probably Andre Boucard for the same reason. Not sure about Marshall, but he ain't that far away as a young centre back. But there may be a few on my retain list who we can't afford. If,as you lot kept telling me,Saidu Khan is worth any Wonga then sell him to boost the playing budget. I dont think he will attract the ludicrous sums some people were quoting earlier this season but 50K would help us out a bit.
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 8, 2020 13:02:33 GMT
You may doubt it, but check out with Terry and Oliver why they maintained a full time squad. There is only a single advantage of going part time and that is it costs less money. So we can agree on something. But the idea that part-time players automatically produce better football, better results and a better league position is simply 'for the fairies'. I'm not sure what sort of reply you are expecting. I merely entered this tedious disagreement to point out logic to Mr U. Now i seem to be under attack as though i am an advocate of PT. To make sure everyone understands. I don't think FT or PT necessarily guarantees better team spirit or individual or team performances. Everyone can argue it does from either side of the fence and they will be incorrect. I dont understand why we cant have FT and PT players in a mix[/b] I think the main reason is it is hard to train and practice, for example, set pieces if half the team is training in the morning and the other half in the evening.... or is that too simplistic :-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 13:40:46 GMT
Strange thing is we have plenty of decent players I would be happy to see next season. Chris Lewington Gavin Hoyte George Elokobi Noah Chesmain Ryan Johnson Saidou Khan Sam Corne Zihni Temelci Ibby Akanbi Ibrahim Olutade I have left out Dan Wishart - he will want far too much money and probably Andre Boucard for the same reason. Not sure about Marshall, but he ain't that far away as a young centre back. But there may be a few on my retain list who we can't afford. If,as you lot kept telling me,Saidu Khan is worth any Wonga then sell him to boost the playing budget. I dont think he will attract the ludicrous sums some people were quoting earlier this season but 50K would help us out a bit. Boucard is getting on a bit to interest clubs at a higher level but he did look decent in the short time we had him, I'd definitely be keen to have him next season and you never know he might go for the part-time option. With clubs at all levels tightening their belts, options for guys like him in the pro game will be limited. Wishart is a different story, he is a classy player and much as we'd love to have him realistically his talents deserve playing higher (and full-time). Did Khan do enough to move on? That spectacular goal at Blackpool made league clubs sit up and take notice but he wasn't amazing after his injury. I suppose his agent could 'dine out' on that goal and get him a full-time deal somewhere. I think if we go PT we'll lose Temelci to the division above. He is a good player and at his age, and coming here from his home country to make his way in the game, I can't see him settling for a part-time contract.
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 8, 2020 15:36:44 GMT
Rumour from a very good source this afternoon that Chris Kinnear is looking to get back into management next season. I wonder if he's in the frame?
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Post by Nick on Apr 8, 2020 15:50:13 GMT
Pretty sure Chris must be available but I think he was last time around too (see quote)
The Kent side are 23rd in the league table after 14 matches, five points adrift of safety. "Our current position and form is not something we can allow to continue," a statement on the club website said. Dover chairman Jim Parmenter said it had been a "tough decision" to part company with Kinnear. "Chris has been highly successful with us, but football is changing," he added. "There has clearly been some poor player recruitment decisions taken and there are also a number of issues around training and our ways of working, which we will be looking at."
Sound familiar ?
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