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Post by Nick on Apr 5, 2020 21:17:51 GMT
We have had loads of good players since we went full time, starting with Stu Lewis and quite a few more besides. But we have supporters convinced that there are just as good part time footballers doing other full time jobs that happen to live close enough. Who are they ? It should be simple enough to name 11 part players living in Kent that would form the nucleus of a promotion seeking squad. Fill yer boots.
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Post by daveu on Apr 5, 2020 21:24:01 GMT
We have had loads of good players since we went full time, starting with Stu Lewis and quite a few more besides. But we have supporters convinced that there are just as good part time footballers doing other full time jobs that happen to live close enough. Who are they ? It should be simple enough to name 11 part players living in Kent that would form the nucleus of a promotion seeking squad. Fill yer boots. They don't need to name names, it's enough to keep sowing the seeds. And if you have the nerve to point out that the part time players that got us promoted haven't exactly set the world alight since, they claim that it's irrelevant.
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 5, 2020 21:25:07 GMT
Since we went full-time we have gone from NL midtable to 9th in NLS.
You're welcome.
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Post by butlerisalegend on Apr 5, 2020 21:27:18 GMT
We have had loads of good players since we went full time, starting with Stu Lewis and quite a few more besides. But we have supporters convinced that there are just as good part time footballers doing other full time jobs that happen to live close enough. Who are they ? It should be simple enough to name 11 part players living in Kent that would form the nucleus of a promotion seeking squad. Fill yer boots. Of course if we could attract players of the Calibre of Stu Lewis then Great. But let’s get real we are not shopping in that pool. Let’s face it of all the players we signed last summer how many are of that calibre? We could argue all day wether that is due to budget or just poor recruitment If we were in NL I agree we would need to be Full Time. At this level especially with the current climate surely PT is the sensible option?
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Post by jdl on Apr 5, 2020 21:42:00 GMT
We have had loads of good players since we went full time, starting with Stu Lewis and quite a few more besides. But we have supporters convinced that there are just as good part time footballers doing other full time jobs that happen to live close enough. Who are they ? It should be simple enough to name 11 part players living in Kent that would form the nucleus of a promotion seeking squad. Fill yer boots. Of course if we could attract players of the Calibre of Stu Lewis then Great. But let’s get real we are not shopping in that pool. Let’s face it of all the players we signed last summer how many are of that calibre? We could argue all day wether that is due to budget or just poor recruitment If we were in NL I agree we would need to be Full Time. At this level especially with the current climate surely PT is the sensible option? As it's the only optiona the moment, it's really a waste of time discussing it further.
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Post by pwoodstone on Apr 5, 2020 21:48:30 GMT
People making a judgement on FT v PT based on the Stones rise through the leagues and our form since full time are doing so on a small sample size with many other variables. I think it actually comes down to Jay putting a very good side together versus the managers at the moment not managing to get it right. John and Hal May have had the same problem even if they’d been PT. But not 'getting it right' in what sense? In terms of the players they sign, their tactics, their motivational skills? For the argument here we surely have to assess the players ability, not what the managers did or didn't do. It's my view we have several players in our squad who probably can't believe how lucky they are to be full-time. They just aren't good enough to justify it. Either we find the budget to pay players who do justify being full-time, and are capable of getting us promoted, or we go part-time and pay players of the same calibre part-time wages if that's all we can afford. Does that not make sense? It does make sense but it’s one side of the argument. I am just suggesting that a better side could be achieved on this budget but due to poor selection and/or poor tactics and management, the side has not been put together to achieve a better side than Jay managed to do. Also, I’d suggest Jay did an exceptional job. If we had have been full time, he may have also built a side to rise to the NL. We don’t know. There are too many other variables in putting a side together than to say it’s all down to FT v PT - the management being the main one.
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Post by Nick on Apr 6, 2020 7:16:07 GMT
It's a fair point woodstone. We are where we are and our reduced playing budget has forced the club to go full time next season. The nonsense that has been perpetuated on this forum is that miraculously part time players will actually be of a higher calibre and 'play for the team' which apparently full time players cannot match. Strange really that nobody is naming the players that we should be signing.
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Post by daveu on Apr 6, 2020 7:46:21 GMT
Since we went full-time we have gone from NL midtable to 9th in NLS. You're welcome. And unlike those of us without some kind of psychic powers you know exactly where we'd be if we'd stayed part time. You carry on arguing your false causal links as much as you like. I'll stick with logic.
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 6, 2020 8:06:19 GMT
You keep with Logic Dave.. I am just stating facts. :-) How you interpret them is of course up to you.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Apr 6, 2020 8:09:35 GMT
It's a fair point woodstone. We are where we are and our reduced playing budget has forced the club to go full time next season. The nonsense that has been perpetuated on this forum is that miraculously part time players will actually be of a higher calibre and 'play for the team' which apparently full time players cannot match. Strange really that nobody is naming the players that we should be signing. Because we are not Managers, Nick, and we don't know the "market" for the best PT Non League footballers in our catchment area, so its silly expecting us to even try to answer your question. If we could, we'd be in Haks job. Its the job that Jay did well, and we are trusting in Hak and his staff to do well when the next season starts - i.e. pick from the best of the PT talent we will be able to afford who will want to play for us. He should have no shortage of applicants. In Hak we trust!
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Post by pwoodstone on Apr 6, 2020 9:30:24 GMT
It's a fair point woodstone. We are where we are and our reduced playing budget has forced the club to go full time next season. The nonsense that has been perpetuated on this forum is that miraculously part time players will actually be of a higher calibre and 'play for the team' which apparently full time players cannot match. Strange really that nobody is naming the players that we should be signing. After this current storm has passed, there will be a lot of teams moving to part time and a lot of players moving to part time. We should be well placed to get a good side together!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 9:39:32 GMT
We have had loads of good players since we went full time, starting with Stu Lewis and quite a few more besides. But we have supporters convinced that there are just as good part time footballers doing other full time jobs that happen to live close enough. Who are they ? It should be simple enough to name 11 part players living in Kent that would form the nucleus of a promotion seeking squad. Fill yer boots. You are talking about better quality players who were with us when we were in the National League. That is not the same thing as trying to be full-time in the division below. I am of the mind that you need to be full-time in the National League, but we're not in that division, are we? Players like Lewis, Joe Piggot, Zav Hines etc. would never have signed for us, and certainly not on the money that would have been offered, if we'd been in this division. Your comparison is, therefore, totally irrelevant.
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Post by jakeyboi on Apr 6, 2020 9:48:52 GMT
Since we went from P/T to F/T there have only been two players that I would of tried to keep if I was in charge at the club. They were Tom Mills and Alex Brown those would I,m certain would of had no problem playing in the NL now sadly they have gone almost off the screen. Flisher would of struggled he was never the same player since his injuries. Sure some will shoot me to pieces over this but hey who cares.
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Post by swampy on Apr 6, 2020 10:25:31 GMT
So where is the logic in Eillott Romain? Signs for us when we are Full Time and didn't score 1 League Goal. Signs for Dartford as Part Time and is amongst the leading scorers in Division. Maybe not as Black & White as some are suggesting.
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Post by Nick on Apr 6, 2020 10:27:00 GMT
I won't try and shoot you jakeyboi, mainly because I think you have nailed it although I think Alex who is a decent footballer is no better than similar players we currently have in midfield (Temelci, Corne, Khan). What jayser doesn't quite get is that some posters seen to believe there is real virtue in going part time inasmuch 'they will play for the badge' and that being more local will somehow improve their skills/attitude/motivation etc. It ain't going to happen, where players are good enough they command higher wages in the industry and tend to play full time. Simple. If the club can't afford these players, they will play for another club and we will get what is left. Not exactly going forward but whatever, 'it is what it is'. I've no idea whether Hak is well suited to taking on the challenge, but our owners are better placed than any of us to make that call. So like bbj 'In Hak we trust', he deserves our support.
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