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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 9:39:47 GMT
Yet there has been no spike from 4 weeks ago when people went to beaches / on demos. I think I heard a Japanese study reckons you're 20 times more likely to catch it indoors (enclosed space). Workers all returning to offices on the same Monday would be much more devastating. I'm likely to be working from home until Christmas at the earliest. Why people all flock to the same beach (and then according to reports, shit on it and leave their litter all over it) beggars belief. what 61666 said above. A psychologist would point out that as non-league fans we're crowd-shunners anyway - how many of us have been to a top-flight game and not enjoyed it as much as a National South game? I could be completely wrong but did I not read months ago that COVID 19 dies at 27°c ,if true then nobody on the beaches were in any danger as the temperature was 30°c. They are still idiots though. I think that was quickly debunked - but ask 2 academics and you'll get 2 different answers.
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Post by jdl on Jun 26, 2020 9:49:04 GMT
The funny thing is, I don’t miss the pub much, which is the danger for any industry recovery. Good point. And probably the thing industry/commerce/government are most worried about*. The longer this goes on, the more people will forget their old routines and habits and carry on with lockdown influenced ones. The obvious ones being online shopping and working from home. On a personal level, I've not used cash since February and not been on a train or bus since then either. I've also got very used to social distancing - scenes like Bournemouth beach now make me feel quite worried, and it will be some time before I get back on an aeroplane. How much if that is just a temporary response to the emergency, or will some of it stick as a permanent change to my social interaction? No one knows. Multiply that by 60 odd million, and you've got potential social changes on a level unknown since the war. (*Not because these changes will necessarily be bad - or good - but because of the uncertainty. Suddenly long-term planning in many sectors has become virtually impossible.)
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Post by jdl on Jun 26, 2020 9:54:44 GMT
I could be completely wrong but did I not read months ago that COVID 19 dies at 27°c ,if true then nobody on the beaches were in any danger as the temperature was 30°c. They are still idiots though. I think that was quickly debunked - but ask 2 academics and you'll get 2 different answers. At least two! Reminds me of the 'definition of socialism' joke - ask 10 socialists what they mean by 'socialism' and you'll get at least 11 different answers. Possibly funnier if you're on the left and have to talk to those sort of people...
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Post by Sennockian69 on Jun 27, 2020 0:21:15 GMT
The virus is still out there, still just as infectious, and still just as nasty. We are nowhere near 'herd immunity' (in fact, we are more or less as far away from it as we were back in February). The reason the infection rate has come down is purely because the lockdown and social distancing has worked. But the infection rate is still quite high (2,000+ cases a day - no one seems to know the exact figure!), and the infamous R value is stubbornly stuck at 0.7 - 0.9 (which is politician-speak for 'just under 1 - we hope'. In other words, there is no scientific justification for easing the lockdown, or reducing social distancing - it is being done on purely economic and political grounds. We are effectively being used as guinea pigs to see how many deaths and how much suffering we can take in order to reduce unemployment, have a holiday and go for a drink. There is, of course, merit in the economic argument, after all, there is no point in everyone being safe if the money runs out. But we could at least have waited until the R value was well under 1 and the test, track and trace system was working properly - then we might have had some chance of catching and controlling any outbreaks before it become epidemic again. But, if it does become epidemic again (and how much do you trust Johnson and his bunch of clowns to get this right?), there'll have to be another lockdown. And f**k alone knows what that will do to the economy. We are donkeys being led by mules. I am not a donkey.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Jun 27, 2020 2:41:49 GMT
The funny thing is, I don’t miss the pub much, which is the danger for any industry recovery. Good point. And probably the thing industry/commerce/government are most worried about*. The longer this goes on, the more people will forget their old routines and habits and carry on with lockdown influenced ones. The obvious ones being online shopping and working from home. On a personal level, I've not used cash since February and not been on a train or bus since then either. I've also got very used to social distancing - scenes like Bournemouth beach now make me feel quite worried, and it will be some time before I get back on an aeroplane. How much if that is just a temporary response to the emergency, or will some of it stick as a permanent change to my social interaction? No one knows. Multiply that by 60 odd million, and you've got potential social changes on a level unknown since the war. (*Not because these changes will necessarily be bad - or good - but because of the uncertainty. Suddenly long-term planning in many sectors has become virtually impossible.) What you forget is that Covid 19 has different consequences for those of us above 40 and the older the worse they become. ( Wonder if younger people are more immune to it because of their higher exposure to seasonal colds and flu? ) They definitely have healthier lungs and hearts. Also this disease is more like Sars and has blood clotting patterns that would effect your lungs in particular.
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Post by hongkongstone on Jun 27, 2020 8:25:10 GMT
Yet there has been no spike from 4 weeks ago when people went to beaches / on demos. I think I heard a Japanese study reckons you're 20 times more likely to catch it indoors (enclosed space). Workers all returning to offices on the same Monday would be much more devastating. I'm likely to be working from home until Christmas at the earliest. Why people all flock to the same beach (and then according to reports, shit on it and leave their litter all over it) beggars belief. what 61666 said above. A psychologist would point out that as non-league fans we're crowd-shunners anyway - how many of us have been to a top-flight game and not enjoyed it as much as a National South game? I could be completely wrong but did I not read months ago that COVID 19 dies at 27°c ,if true then nobody on the beaches were in any danger as the temperature was 30°c. They are still idiots though. Whoever said that the CCPvirus was killed at 27 deg.C has obviously never been to Singapore or Thailand where the temperature is never below that yet they still suffered from it.
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Post by headstone on Jun 27, 2020 8:25:16 GMT
My wife had her pneumococcal vaccination yesterday. She asked why I hadn't had an invitation to the needle. Apparently I was offered it when I was 65, and turned it down. I was young and foolish then! But I can ring up and ask for one now, which must be sensible in the current climate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 18:54:31 GMT
My wife had her pneumococcal vaccination yesterday. She asked why I hadn't had an invitation to the needle. Apparently I was offered it when I was 65, and turned it down. I was young and foolish then! But I can ring up and ask for one now, which must be sensible in the current climate. But the climate keeps changing. Though if you glue yourself to a tube train, that'll stop it.
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Post by jdl on Jun 27, 2020 23:15:55 GMT
Good point. And probably the thing industry/commerce/government are most worried about*. The longer this goes on, the more people will forget their old routines and habits and carry on with lockdown influenced ones. The obvious ones being online shopping and working from home. On a personal level, I've not used cash since February and not been on a train or bus since then either. I've also got very used to social distancing - scenes like Bournemouth beach now make me feel quite worried, and it will be some time before I get back on an aeroplane. How much if that is just a temporary response to the emergency, or will some of it stick as a permanent change to my social interaction? No one knows. Multiply that by 60 odd million, and you've got potential social changes on a level unknown since the war. (*Not because these changes will necessarily be bad - or good - but because of the uncertainty. Suddenly long-term planning in many sectors has become virtually impossible.) What you forget is that Covid 19 has different consequences for those of us above 40 and the older the worse they become. ( Wonder if younger people are more immune to it because of their higher exposure to seasonal colds and flu? ) They definitely have healthier lungs and hearts. Also this disease is more like Sars and has blood clotting patterns that would effect your lungs in particular. At nearly 67, I'm actually rather unlikely to forget this.
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Post by 61666 on Jun 29, 2020 7:20:15 GMT
Still, everyone can go on holiday next week - unless you live in Leicester. Meanwhile, speeding offences on the roads are generally down, apart from in London and Kent, the BBC reports. Not surprised on that one, the general standard of driving has certainly got worse during lockdown and while I admit to doing 75mph ish on motorways, am often the slowest car on the road these days. However, it is the aggressive nature of many drivers which concerns me. Tailgating and dangerous overtaking especially- and you nearly always catch up with them at the next set of lights...
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