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Post by porkystone on Mar 26, 2020 13:23:27 GMT
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Post by jdl on Mar 26, 2020 15:38:23 GMT
Nice to hear from you, Porky.
This is now officially a farce! One minute the season's over, the next it needs to be completed - but how?!
There's no way the season can be restarted before the summer, so even a best-case scenario would involve extending player contracts until August - which would wipe a lot of clubs out, with no income coming in during that time.
The only alternative that I can see is some sort of split 20/21 season, with the current season being completed in August/September, and then being followed by a 'play each other once' mini-season. Which, in itself, raises a host of difficulties for clubs.
Surely the only viable option is just to declare this season void?
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Post by gromley on Mar 26, 2020 16:34:03 GMT
We can now officially complain that we have been denied promotion - surely because of our pitch.
On the other hand perhaps we can accept that other things are going on?
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Post by sword65 on Mar 26, 2020 16:44:54 GMT
Games to be played to a conclusion but no relegation from NLS & NLN. No promotions from step 3 to step 2 . South Shields fc are already planning legal action should an appeal fail. Jersey Bulls have a 100% record after 27 games , a team that is obviously to good by far for their league are being refused promotion so I can see them going to court as well. The beginning of the new season may be delayed ,not by the virus,but by the court actions of clubs denied the opportunity to progress. The next few months could be very interesting not least for us as the majority of our players will be out of contract so will the U23's finish our league campaign then build a new squad for 20/21.
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Post by steveh21 on Mar 26, 2020 17:21:19 GMT
The NL obviously makes the rules and member clubs have to obey them...as members. The clubs considering legal action need to be clear on what grounds they are disputing the league's decision and offer an alternative solution I assume. The court will ask what law the NL has broken? There is probably a clause in the league constitution which allows the NL to alter the rules and regulations?
If the Stones were top I'd be fuming. Lucky for us this season has been so dull and boring that it is a bit of a relief :-)
Next season we can come back stronger and hopefully part-time. If the money is not there to pay players then the best players might be tempted by other factors, such as the chance to play in front of decent crowds and for a club they know will look after them.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 26, 2020 18:20:14 GMT
The NL obviously makes the rules and member clubs have to obey them...as members. The clubs considering legal action need to be clear on what grounds they are disputing the league's decision and offer an alternative solution I assume. The court will ask what law the NL has broken? There is probably a clause in the league constitution which allows the NL to alter the rules and regulations? If the Stones were top I'd be fuming. Lucky for us this season has been so dull and boring that it is a bit of a relief :-) Next season we can come back stronger and hopefully part-time. If the money is not there to pay players then the best players might be tempted by other factors, such as the chance to play in front of decent crowds and for a club they know will look after them. As far as legal actions are concerned you may have a point especially with South Shields but in Jerseys situation their club is step 7 and the team is probably good enough for step 4 surely they could be allowed promotion for they have already won the league they are in. I am though pretty sure that not all clubs at these levels will survive so they may he promoted to make up the numbers. I have also just read that some clubs were banking on relegation as they were struggling financially in the league they were in so these clubs now given a reprieve may have to resign from their leagues in order to keep their clubs alive. Its gonna be a mess. |
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Post by bermudastone on Mar 26, 2020 18:58:36 GMT
Nice to see you are still out there Porky - was wondering why you stopped posting ? Blue Birds top of the NL for most of the season and the locals here are going to be well pissed off if they don't get promotion. Still, least of the worries in the World today !!!! Stay safe, well and happy all. |
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Post by Tony G on Mar 26, 2020 20:07:34 GMT
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Post by jdh80 on Mar 27, 2020 5:44:18 GMT
The NL obviously makes the rules and member clubs have to obey them...as members. The clubs considering legal action need to be clear on what grounds they are disputing the league's decision and offer an alternative solution I assume. The court will ask what law the NL has broken? There is probably a clause in the league constitution which allows the NL to alter the rules and regulations? If the Stones were top I'd be fuming. Lucky for us this season has been so dull and boring that it is a bit of a relief :-) Next season we can come back stronger and hopefully part-time. If the money is not there to pay players then the best players might be tempted by other factors, such as the chance to play in front of decent crowds and for a club they know will look after them. As far as legal actions are concerned you may have a point especially with South Shields but in Jerseys situation their club is step 7 and the team is probably good enough for step 4 surely they could be allowed promotion for they have already won the league they are in. I am though pretty sure that not all clubs at these levels will survive so they may he promoted to make up the numbers. I have also just read that some clubs were banking on relegation as they were struggling financially in the league they were in so these clubs now given a reprieve may have to resign from their leagues in order to keep their clubs alive. Its gonna be a mess. I agree with your last sentence completely sword, it's gonna be a mess. Can see teams folding Teams being jumped up a league The non league steps were supposed to be changing next season as well, this is where we had the discussion about our under 23s playing in the scefl, god knows what the non league scene will be once we get to the other side of this virus. The efl need to figure out what they do with league one does it stay at 23 teams or do they increase that to 24 and allow one team up and no relegation or are they hoping a couple more teams go to the wall and they have league 1 and 2 with 22 teams each rather than prior to burys demise 24 in each. Whatever they decide on will impact the national league so they can't really decide on what they're going to do until the efl have made their minds up. As I've said all along whatever decisions are made someone somewhere is going to be pissed off and leagues etc taken to court, i think mainly due to proposed loss of potential income. Wouldn't shock me if the 20/21 season ends up a clusterfuck of cup competitions with group stages against local rivals (for us, Bromley, Dartford, dover, Ebbsfleet, Tonbridge and maybe Margate and Folkestone) to run alongside the main fa cup and maybe a national league south cup for the teams currently in the national south, a nation league north cup for the teams in nln and the same for the national league itself. With even numbers of teams you can't do a half and half as it would be an uneven split with either 21 games (22 team league) or 23 games (24 team league) and you can't give some teams 11 homes and 10 Aways and other teams 10 homes and 11 Aways. The above is all said as we have no clue as to when the season will start, clubs can't even plan season tickets as they've no idea what/how many games they are going to have, meaning another income stream is locked up with uncertainty. |
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Post by 61666 on Mar 27, 2020 8:54:26 GMT
The key problem is that there is no exit point, anywhere for anything, at the moment. Trump wants the USA to get back to work asap, even if only on a staged, regional basis mostly because it will hit his election chances and indeed his business empire. Everywhere else continues to look at Italy and Spain, hoping for signs that their efforts are working, or indeed China and South Korea. At the moment, even if you've had it, there is no certainty yet that you are immune. Those who haven't had it yet will still be vulnerable if/when restrictions are lifted - the latter no doubt only when NHS capacity is improved.
The ways forward? Effective drugs to treat it, tests to show who's had it (so they can go back to work) and hopefully an innoculation, which could be a year away.
In football terms, the worst case scenario is it might take the whole of next season to finish this one, especially as this crisis has come at the end of winter. Imagine what things would be like if it had come on top of the usual winter flu epidemics.
Maybe, just maybe, if things ease, leagues can be finished through July and August. After, start the next season in mid September, cutting out most cups, maybe even European ones.
But who knows?
As little as thirty or forty years ago, this virus would have been seen as an unfortunate event, with many deaths world wide. One recent suggestion is around 40 million, still less than Spanish Flu after WW1, while others have said most people who will die from Covid19 would do anyway by the end of the year because of underlying health problems. Trump meanwhile muses over the effects of a global slump on death rates too.
I'm glad such efforts are being made to protect us at the moment. I just hope they are the right ones because some of the Doomsday scenarios out there are just as, if not even more scary. Mad Max anyone?
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Post by daveu on Mar 27, 2020 11:39:11 GMT
The key problem is that there is no exit point, anywhere for anything, at the moment. Trump wants the USA to get back to work asap, even if only on a staged, regional basis mostly because it will hit his election chances and indeed his business empire. Everywhere else continues to look at Italy and Spain, hoping for signs that their efforts are working, or indeed China and South Korea. At the moment, even if you've had it, there is no certainty yet that you are immune. Those who haven't had it yet will still be vulnerable if/when restrictions are lifted - the latter no doubt only when NHS capacity is improved. The ways forward? Effective drugs to treat it, tests to show who's had it (so they can go back to work) and hopefully an innoculation, which could be a year away. In football terms, the worst case scenario is it might take the whole of next season to finish this one, especially as this crisis has come at the end of winter. Imagine what things would be like if it had come on top of the usual winter flu epidemics. Maybe, just maybe, if things ease, leagues can be finished through July and August. After, start the next season in mid September, cutting out most cups, maybe even European ones. But who knows? As little as thirty or forty years ago, this virus would have been seen as an unfortunate event, with many deaths world wide. One recent suggestion is around 40 million, still less than Spanish Flu after WW1, while others have said most people who will die from Covid19 would do anyway by the end of the year because of underlying health problems. Trump meanwhile muses over the effects of a global slump on death rates too. I'm glad such efforts are being made to protect us at the moment. I just hope they are the right ones because some of the Doomsday scenarios out there are just as, if not even more scary. Mad Max anyone? Nothing to go on other than a hunch, but I believe we will go through a series of periodically lifting and reintroducing restrictions to try to expose people to the virus in a controlled way so that we never get too many at any one time for the NHS to cope with. Of course that only works if people who've already had it develop some immunity. |
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Post by nws on Mar 27, 2020 12:11:26 GMT
The key problem is that there is no exit point, anywhere for anything, at the moment. Trump wants the USA to get back to work asap, even if only on a staged, regional basis mostly because it will hit his election chances and indeed his business empire. Everywhere else continues to look at Italy and Spain, hoping for signs that their efforts are working, or indeed China and South Korea. At the moment, even if you've had it, there is no certainty yet that you are immune. Those who haven't had it yet will still be vulnerable if/when restrictions are lifted - the latter no doubt only when NHS capacity is improved. The ways forward? Effective drugs to treat it, tests to show who's had it (so they can go back to work) and hopefully an innoculation, which could be a year away. In football terms, the worst case scenario is it might take the whole of next season to finish this one, especially as this crisis has come at the end of winter. Imagine what things would be like if it had come on top of the usual winter flu epidemics. Maybe, just maybe, if things ease, leagues can be finished through July and August. After, start the next season in mid September, cutting out most cups, maybe even European ones. But who knows? As little as thirty or forty years ago, this virus would have been seen as an unfortunate event, with many deaths world wide. One recent suggestion is around 40 million, still less than Spanish Flu after WW1, while others have said most people who will die from Covid19 would do anyway by the end of the year because of underlying health problems. Trump meanwhile muses over the effects of a global slump on death rates too. I'm glad such efforts are being made to protect us at the moment. I just hope they are the right ones because some of the Doomsday scenarios out there are just as, if not even more scary. Mad Max anyone? Nothing to go on other than a hunch, but I believe we will go through a series of periodically lifting and reintroducing restrictions to try to expose people to the virus in a controlled way so that we never get too many at any one time for the NHS to cope with. Of course that only works if people who've already had it develop some immunity. They haven't worked out if we develop immunity yet so the jury is, as you allude to, out on that one. The South Korean approach seems to have worked the best, which has involved mass testing and isolation of those testing positive. Our government seems to be coming to that party too late with large swathes of the population already infected and still no test kits in sight. We knew this thing was out there because we saw the news from China yet we were so ill-prepared and have been left scrabbling and fire-fighting. To me, years of funding things that are unimportant (tax cuts to skew wealth even more etc) and underfunding things that are important, like health, is the obvious reason we find ourselves in this position. The government only seemed to start taking things seriously when they realised how much of the economy could be wiped out through this. |
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Post by jdl on Mar 27, 2020 13:37:57 GMT
The key problem is that there is no exit point, anywhere for anything, at the moment. Trump wants the USA to get back to work asap, even if only on a staged, regional basis mostly because it will hit his election chances and indeed his business empire. Everywhere else continues to look at Italy and Spain, hoping for signs that their efforts are working, or indeed China and South Korea. At the moment, even if you've had it, there is no certainty yet that you are immune. Those who haven't had it yet will still be vulnerable if/when restrictions are lifted - the latter no doubt only when NHS capacity is improved. The ways forward? Effective drugs to treat it, tests to show who's had it (so they can go back to work) and hopefully an innoculation, which could be a year away. In football terms, the worst case scenario is it might take the whole of next season to finish this one, especially as this crisis has come at the end of winter. Imagine what things would be like if it had come on top of the usual winter flu epidemics. Maybe, just maybe, if things ease, leagues can be finished through July and August. After, start the next season in mid September, cutting out most cups, maybe even European ones. But who knows? As little as thirty or forty years ago, this virus would have been seen as an unfortunate event, with many deaths world wide. One recent suggestion is around 40 million, still less than Spanish Flu after WW1, while others have said most people who will die from Covid19 would do anyway by the end of the year because of underlying health problems. Trump meanwhile muses over the effects of a global slump on death rates too. I'm glad such efforts are being made to protect us at the moment. I just hope they are the right ones because some of the Doomsday scenarios out there are just as, if not even more scary. Mad Max anyone? Nothing to go on other than a hunch, but I believe we will go through a series of periodically lifting and reintroducing restrictions to try to expose people to the virus in a controlled way so that we never get too many at any one time for the NHS to cope with. Of course that only works if people who've already had it develop some immunity. That is basically the plan - if you read between the lines, that's what they are saying: "delay the spread, so the NHS (sorry, our NHS) can cope. If your survive this lockdown without getting it, it will get you in the autumn - when they probably won't worry about another lockdown, as our NHS will be able to 'cope'. Let's just hope you can't catch it more than once - or still pass it on once you've had it... |
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Post by hongkongstone on Mar 28, 2020 1:42:39 GMT
The lessons on dealing with the CCPvirus most effectively can be gleaned from Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and to a lesser extent Hong Kong. These are:
1. Recognise it early, Taiwan warned the WHO back in December last year and took their own actions immediately.
2. Converseley do not sit in denial (e.g. Agent Orange).
3. Limit travel - especially from infected regions/countries.
4. Testing and as much testing as soon as possible. Without hard data how can one make fact based decisions?
5. Along with the very important defense of hand washing it is interesting to note that the above mentioned nations all have a near 100% mask wearing culture. This correlates to a much lower rise in infection (there are graphs out there that support the statement but I don't have one to hand). In Hong Kong it is a social stigma not to wear a mask so others should co sider the same approach.
I would also add that please do not think that the PRC has resolved their issues. For reasons I have stated before there is self-interest at stake in fabricating the reported figures (which is why they have repeatedly refused outside assistance lest the truth is uncovered). However a source tells me that last month in Hubei province there was a 5 fold increase in cremations over the previous year.
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Post by hongkongstone on Mar 28, 2020 2:18:27 GMT
But to bring this thread back on track, I hear that ghe NL may still be cancelled and positions decided on PPG. On that basis Barrow would be promoted to the EFL where there would be no relegation and Wealdstone would replace them and Truro come up to the NLS. Other than that no relagation. Have to say it is still only a rumour from my York City friend who supports a team that might otherwise challenge for promotion.
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