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Post by jdl on Mar 14, 2020 11:37:23 GMT
I can't see any 'solution' to the Wu Flu/football problem that isn't going to upset almost everyone.
Declare the season over now and the current table as 'final' and you'll upset the teams that might have made promotion and who might have avoided relegation (never mind those with loads of games in hand!).
Declare the season void and Liverpool fans will moan from now to eternity (what's new?). Not to mention Wealdstone fans, while they watch from the mid-table as H&W storm the table next season...
Run some sort of playoffs to sort out promotion and relegation, once the panic is over? Can't wait to see how they are going to do that!
Impossible situation. I think the only thing they can do is declare the season void, whatever problems that causes.
And Liverpool? Well, now perhaps they'll understand what it felt like to be a Hammer the last time we qualified for Europe, but couldn't take our place because English teams were banned because of Liverpool fans' behaviour.
Bitter, moi?
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Post by daveu on Mar 14, 2020 11:57:10 GMT
No panic, just a dose of reality. More than a hint of 'ostrich syndrome' from those in denial. Not in denial at all. Would just rather get it over and done with rather than dragging it out over the whole summer. This delaying tactic may work for the NHS, although I believe that is a massively over-optimistic assessment, but it does absolutely nothing for the country as a whole.
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Post by Rob on Mar 14, 2020 12:04:18 GMT
The reality is nobody knows. Logically, as this virus is now free in a completely defenceless community, it should go on to infect almost everyone in probably just a few weeks. The only reason we still can't handle the reality of that is that none of us have any experience of such a thing - it just seems too big to be real. But I can't see anything to stop it. But perhaps that won't happen? We just don't know. Also, what will be it's impact? It seems that the death rate is less than things like flu and that many/most people will only get it mildly - so perhaps it will turn out to be much less serious than we expect, and society will carry in functioning through it, pretty much like it does with snow or floods? At the moment, we simply don't know. And that's the problem - fear of the unknown. We are like rabbits staring at the headlights of the oncoming car. Once the virus hits in numbers it will become a known thing that we can cope with. Where did you get that from ? The death rate from flu is about 0.1%, in other words 1 in a thousand Difficult at present to put a death rate on this particular virus cause it varies a lot from one country to another and you have to query the accuracy of data. But at the bottom or best end we are looking at 1% or 10 people in every 1000 that become infected. At worst (Italy) it seem to be as high as 5% or 50 people every thousand. The UK Government seem to be preparing and planning for the 'herd outcome' with up to 40 million Brits infected. If that works out you can calculate potential fatalities yourself.
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Post by daveu on Mar 14, 2020 12:40:17 GMT
You can't say with any certainty that the death rate will be higher than flu because you have no accurate measure of how many actually have the virus. Most people now are self isolating without ever getting tested so the current total number of infections, 800 odd wasn't it, us only the ones we know about. Also you have to take into account that there's an effective vaccination for flu, so even if the death rate is currently higher it doesn't mean that the virus per se is more deadly than flu.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:44:20 GMT
I was pondering what kind of joke Frankie Boyle would deliver regarding the Corona virus? I would presume it would have some connection with the number of people dying, Greta Thunberg, and saving the planet from overpopulation.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 14, 2020 12:45:27 GMT
Watching various news reels on sky and I must say I am surprised today has not been called off even at this late stage. I will be surprised if we play another game after today
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Post by steveh21 on Mar 14, 2020 13:02:37 GMT
Points per game or paper scissors stone via Zoom ?
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Post by jdl on Mar 14, 2020 13:13:18 GMT
The reality is nobody knows. Logically, as this virus is now free in a completely defenceless community, it should go on to infect almost everyone in probably just a few weeks. The only reason we still can't handle the reality of that is that none of us have any experience of such a thing - it just seems too big to be real. But I can't see anything to stop it. But perhaps that won't happen? We just don't know. Also, what will be it's impact? It seems that the death rate is less than things like flu and that many/most people will only get it mildly - so perhaps it will turn out to be much less serious than we expect, and society will carry in functioning through it, pretty much like it does with snow or floods? At the moment, we simply don't know. And that's the problem - fear of the unknown. We are like rabbits staring at the headlights of the oncoming car. Once the virus hits in numbers it will become a known thing that we can cope with. Where did you get that from ? The death rate from flu is about 0.1%, in other words 1 in a thousand Difficult at present to put a death rate on this particular virus cause it varies a lot from one country to another and you have to query the accuracy of data. But at the bottom or best end we are looking at 1% or 10 people in every 1000 that become infected. At worst (Italy) it seem to be as high as 5% or 50 people every thousand. The UK Government seem to be preparing and planning for the 'herd outcome' with up to 40 million Brits infected. If that works out you can calculate potential fatalities yourself. It changes every time I read/hear the news! Last week it was worse than flu, yesterday it was the other way round... I guess we'll find out soon. And, speaking as someone closer to 70 than 60, I await this with some tredidation. Analysis from the Guardian: www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/how-many-will-die-of-coronavirus-in-the-uk-a-closer-look-at-the-numbers"The World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated the mortality rate from Covid-19 is about 3.4%. That is higher than seasonal flu and is cause for concern..." "But it is also worth noting the WHO estimate is based on confirmed infections and deaths, meaning it does not take into account mild cases that may not be diagnosed – cases that would lower the mortality rate.Indeed experts say that, in reality, the mortality rate is likely to be nearer to 1% or less." "One thing that is clear is that mortality rates do differ from country to country. At present, Italy has been estimated to have a mortality rate of more than 6%, while in South Korea the mortality rate has been estimated at below 1%."
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Post by jdl on Mar 14, 2020 13:15:14 GMT
Watching various news reels on sky and I must say I am surprised today has not been called off even at this late stage. I will be surprised if we play another game after today How old are you?
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Post by sword65 on Mar 14, 2020 13:29:07 GMT
Watching various news reels on sky and I must say I am surprised today has not been called off even at this late stage. I will be surprised if we play another game after today How old are you? Younger than you but I have Sky Pathe news .
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Post by rollingstone on Mar 14, 2020 14:41:12 GMT
I have been following it all on the home service via my crystal set
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Post by hongkongstone on Mar 15, 2020 1:47:45 GMT
I can't see any 'solution' to the Wu Flu/football problem that isn't going to upset almost everyone. Declare the season over now and the current table as 'final' and you'll upset the teams that might have made promotion and who might have avoided relegation (never mind those with loads of games in hand!). Declare the season void and Liverpool fans will moan from now to eternity (what's new?). Not to mention Wealdstone fans, while they watch from the mid-table as H&W storm the table next season... Run some sort of playoffs to sort out promotion and relegation, once the panic is over? Can't wait to see how they are going to do that! Impossible situation. I think the only thing they can do is declare the season void, whatever problems that causes. And Liverpool? Well, now perhaps they'll understand what it felt like to be a Hammer the last time we qualified for Europe, but couldn't take our place because English teams were banned because of Liverpool fans' behaviour. Bitter, moi? Hammers fans have nothing to moan about in comparison to Everton fans who were denied 2 entries to the European Cup after winning the league.
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Post by hongkongstone on Mar 15, 2020 3:38:54 GMT
IMHO the Euro championships will be put back until next year to allow 4-6 extra weeks this summer to allow the season to be completed.
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Post by 61666 on Mar 15, 2020 7:27:47 GMT
That makes sense - cancel/postpone what hasn't started, to give the leagues a chance. Will players moan about missing their summer break? Maybe cup competitions should be severely pruned next season, to allow a later start? That means everything apart from the FA Cups, so all levels get one opportunity. At our level, keep league sizes as they are. Not that long ago some footballers played county cricket in the summer. Impossible now, given the length of the season. Cut out the non essential competitions and it will create time to finish this season's league matches, maybe not starting next season till September.
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Post by hammerstone on Mar 15, 2020 7:32:12 GMT
What the Germans are proposing could work in the PL trickling down.
No champion, no relegation, top 2 promoted from division below, but then the following season there is 2 extra relegation spots.
Whilst not ideal it would work
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