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Post by jdl on Mar 3, 2020 11:28:55 GMT
Key points from someone who is living through it: - Wash hands frequently, use alcohol sanitiser where possible. Viruses live for up to 20 minutes outside the body so you really don't who coughed over that hand pole in the bus you just held onto for example. Similarly sanitise your mobile device. I personally carry an alcohol spray which I use frequently (I will allow others to make the joke) - to sanitise. - Stop touching yourself (I will allow others to make the jokes on that also). But seriously the way infection passes from hands into the body is through eyes, nose and mouth. - Facemasks are really only necessary to stop you spreading germs eminating from yourself. However they do prevent you touching yourself too much - see above. You will be surprised how often you do touch your eyes, nose and mouth sub-consciously if you monitor it. The major exception to this is for medical professionals or similar public officials where unknown people may cough and sneeze at you unwittingly in which case they need a full face clear visor covering eyes, nose & mouth as well as face mask. - This virus has a long incubation period of up to 10 days and so is assymptomatic. This means someone may have the disease for days before they show signs. Probably the most dangerous aspect of this particular virus. Not sure what mitigating factors can be taken but all my business trips to UK have been cancelled by the UK parties and their business trips here are on hold. - Symptoms are a dry cough, like bronchial pneumonia, as well as the usual flu like symptoms of inability to control body temperature and muscular weakness. Anyone displaying these should self quarantine for 14 days. Stay safe peoples. Stones can't afford to lose many more supporters. And don't rely on anti-bacterial gels. My lad's school just sent an email out asking parents to use the anti-bacterial gels provided, without apparently noticing that coronavirus is a virus - the clue is in the name! Anti-bac gels don't kill viruses - you need alcohol (and, like HKS, I'll let someone else make the obvious joke...).
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Post by jdl on Mar 3, 2020 15:46:12 GMT
Interesting video comparing coronavirus with out recent pandemics and other (non-virus) hazards. Doesn't appear to have an axe to grind or a point to make, just showing the numbers. But, if numbers aren't your thing, still have a look, as it's mostly just clever graphics, and very well presented. Only 10 minutes, too. www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDD2tHWWnU
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Post by hongkongstone on Mar 4, 2020 2:43:04 GMT
Interesting video comparing coronavirus with out recent pandemics and other (non-virus) hazards. Doesn't appear to have an axe to grind or a point to make, just showing the numbers. But, if numbers aren't your thing, still have a look, as it's mostly just clever graphics, and very well presented. Only 10 minutes, too. www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDD2tHWWnUI've seen this video but it is not the whole truth for a couple of reasons. Firstly, they knew they had a problem in Wuhan back in November since there were sudden swathe of job adverts for a lot more viroligists to work there. BTW, the lab where they were researching the viruses is 280m from the wet market where it is claimed it all started. If you have ever seen a Chinese wet market it is easy to see how disease can rapidly spread. Secondly, all numbers from China are falsified. The reason being is the top down blame culture of a totalitarian regime which means if I am the local CCP Chair or Mayor (the CCP guy is higher up the food chain than the Mayor in the PRC) and announce say 100 deaths from something out of my control like, for example, an earthquake then I am summarily dismissed and lucky if I do not face criminal prosecution. Hence the nature of officials is to cover up as much as possible, however in this case it became too big to cover up. Now the problem is officially recognised by Winnie the Flu (Xi Xingpin - but checkout the intrnet memes for the joke) officials are only drip feeding out the stats they already know, for example in GuangDong a couple of weeks ago they claimed no deaths but some on the internet have posted videos that are clearly body bags and hazmat suits from a particular city in the province. PRC provincial officials lie by nature, you only need to go back to the so-called 'Great Leap 'Forward' under Mao which killed 30 million but where the officials purposely over exaggerated their harvests and as such it was all requestioned. Even a couple of years ago I noted that every PRC province posted GDP growth above the national AVERAGE !!! Stay safe peoples.
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Post by nws on Mar 4, 2020 9:27:14 GMT
Interesting video comparing coronavirus with out recent pandemics and other (non-virus) hazards. Doesn't appear to have an axe to grind or a point to make, just showing the numbers. But, if numbers aren't your thing, still have a look, as it's mostly just clever graphics, and very well presented. Only 10 minutes, too. www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDD2tHWWnUI've seen this video but it is not the whole truth for a couple of reasons. Firstly, they knew they had a problem in Wuhan back in November since there were sudden swathe of job adverts for a lot more viroligists to work there. BTW, the lab where they were researching the viruses is 280m from the wet market where it is claimed it all started. If you have ever seen a Chinese wet market it is easy to see how disease can rapidly spread. Secondly, all numbers from China are falsified. The reason being is the top down blame culture of a totalitarian regime which means if I am the local CCP Chair or Mayor (the CCP guy is higher up the food chain than the Mayor in the PRC) and announce say 100 deaths from something out of my control like, for example, an earthquake then I am summarily dismissed and lucky if I do not face criminal prosecution. Hence the nature of officials is to cover up as much as possible, however in this case it became too big to cover up. Now the problem is officially recognised by Winnie the Flu (Xi Xingpin - but checkout the intrnet memes for the joke) officials are only drip feeding out the stats they already know, for example in GuangDong a couple of weeks ago they claimed no deaths but some on the internet have posted videos that are clearly body bags and hazmat suits from a particular city in the province. PRC provincial officials lie by nature, you only need to go back to the so-called 'Great Leap 'Forward' under Mao which killed 30 million but where the officials purposely over exaggerated their harvests and as such it was all requestioned. Even a couple of years ago I noted that every PRC province posted GDP growth above the national AVERAGE !!! Stay safe peoples. I've only ever spent 2 weeks in China (it was supposed to be 4 weeks but I gave up with it and cluttered off to America). The level of top-down manipulation does seem apparent as you read things from people with first hand experience and look at any stats. Hope you are OK and stay that way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 10:33:48 GMT
There are some interesting articles doing the rounds, arguing that the only pandemic is one of paranoia, for a flu virus that is trivial compared to the 5/600,000 who die of "ordinary" flu annually. The scary bits are the 2 weeks where people don't know they're ill, and the (current) lack of treatment. But massive over-reaction / getting it wrong eg keeping everyone on a cruise ship until 6 die.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Mar 4, 2020 13:12:35 GMT
There are some interesting articles doing the rounds, arguing that the only pandemic is one of paranoia, for a flu virus that is trivial compared to the 5/600,000 who die of "ordinary" flu annually. The scary bits are the 2 weeks where people don't know they're ill, and the (current) lack of treatment. But massive over-reaction / getting it wrong eg keeping everyone on a cruise ship until 6 die. Indeed. Paranoia and fear abound. How many other “out of control “ viruses have we lived with daily affecting multiples more of people. Isn’t that what colds and flus are? Either the global media is dangerously out of control or there is some deliberate plan here to bring chaos to the world-or maybe somewhere between the two. Whatever, it’s madness. How long before a ban on meeting in public places in large assemblies means and end to the football season, not to mention all concerts theatres movies etc. Crazy.
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Post by nws on Mar 4, 2020 13:42:25 GMT
There are some interesting articles doing the rounds, arguing that the only pandemic is one of paranoia, for a flu virus that is trivial compared to the 5/600,000 who die of "ordinary" flu annually. The scary bits are the 2 weeks where people don't know they're ill, and the (current) lack of treatment. But massive over-reaction / getting it wrong eg keeping everyone on a cruise ship until 6 die. Indeed. Paranoia and fear abound. How many other “out of control “ viruses have we lived with daily affecting multiples more of people. Isn’t that what colds and flus are? Either the global media is dangerously out of control or there is some deliberate plan here to bring chaos to the world-or maybe somewhere between the two. Whatever, it’s madness. How long before a ban on meeting in public places in large assemblies means and end to the football season, not to mention all concerts theatres movies etc. Crazy. Mmmm….accusations of a hidden agenda and global political conspiracy. What were/are you complaining about recently?
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Post by 61666 on Mar 4, 2020 14:00:46 GMT
There are some interesting articles doing the rounds, arguing that the only pandemic is one of paranoia, for a flu virus that is trivial compared to the 5/600,000 who die of "ordinary" flu annually. The scary bits are the 2 weeks where people don't know they're ill, and the (current) lack of treatment. But massive over-reaction / getting it wrong eg keeping everyone on a cruise ship until 6 die. Indeed. Paranoia and fear abound. How many other “out of control “ viruses have we lived with daily affecting multiples more of people. Isn’t that what colds and flus are? Either the global media is dangerously out of control or there is some deliberate plan here to bring chaos to the world-or maybe somewhere between the two. Whatever, it’s madness. How long before a ban on meeting in public places in large assemblies means and end to the football season, not to mention all concerts theatres movies etc. Crazy. It does all seem strange. Either governments are more caring than in the past or is there a hidden agenda we are not being told directly about? Post WW1, Spanish Flu killed an estimated 50 million world wide. Now we have our anti flu jabs, but TB still kills 40,000 a DAY, even with an effective vaccine and the same number die each year from sepsis in the UK alone. So why is Wu Flu causing so much consternation one wonders? Beware horsemen riding in fours and a beast with three sixes! No, not me...
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Post by sword65 on Mar 4, 2020 14:44:51 GMT
Indeed. Paranoia and fear abound. How many other “out of control “ viruses have we lived with daily affecting multiples more of people. Isn’t that what colds and flus are? Either the global media is dangerously out of control or there is some deliberate plan here to bring chaos to the world-or maybe somewhere between the two. Whatever, it’s madness. How long before a ban on meeting in public places in large assemblies means and end to the football season, not to mention all concerts theatres movies etc. Crazy. It does all seem strange. Either governments are more caring than in the past or is there a hidden agenda we are not being told directly about? Post WW1, Spanish Flu killed an estimated 50 million world wide. Now we have our anti flu jabs, but TB still kills 40,000 a DAY, even with an effective vaccine and the same number die each year from sepsis in the UK alone. So why is Wu Flu causing so much consternation one wonders? Beware horsemen riding in fours and a beast with three sixes! No, not me... I like Hong Kong Flu by the legendary Ethiopians, what a great reggae track. Oh shit wrong thread🙃
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Post by jdl on Mar 4, 2020 15:57:29 GMT
Indeed. Paranoia and fear abound. How many other “out of control “ viruses have we lived with daily affecting multiples more of people. Isn’t that what colds and flus are? Either the global media is dangerously out of control or there is some deliberate plan here to bring chaos to the world-or maybe somewhere between the two. Whatever, it’s madness. How long before a ban on meeting in public places in large assemblies means and end to the football season, not to mention all concerts theatres movies etc. Crazy. It does all seem strange. Either governments are more caring than in the past or is there a hidden agenda we are not being told directly about? Post WW1, Spanish Flu killed an estimated 50 million world wide. Now we have our anti flu jabs, but TB still kills 40,000 a DAY, even with an effective vaccine and the same number die each year from sepsis in the UK alone. So why is Wu Flu causing so much consternation one wonders? Beware horsemen riding in fours and a beast with three sixes! No, not me... It's not our health they're worrying about, it's the economic consequences of loads of people being off work all at the same time that really scares them. If production collapses, so do profits. If they really cared about people dying, they'd do something about all those things that are far more deadly than Wu Flu - but those things aren't going to f**k with the economy (in fact a large part of it depends on them carrying on killing people - smoking, drinking, driving...).
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Post by sword65 on Mar 4, 2020 16:36:33 GMT
It does all seem strange. Either governments are more caring than in the past or is there a hidden agenda we are not being told directly about? Post WW1, Spanish Flu killed an estimated 50 million world wide. Now we have our anti flu jabs, but TB still kills 40,000 a DAY, even with an effective vaccine and the same number die each year from sepsis in the UK alone. So why is Wu Flu causing so much consternation one wonders? Beware horsemen riding in fours and a beast with three sixes! No, not me... It's not our health they're worrying about, it's the economic consequences of loads of people being off work all at the same time that really scares them. If production collapses, so do profits. If they really cared about people dying, they'd do something about all those things that are far more deadly than Wu Flu - but those things aren't going to f**k with the economy (in fact a large part of it depends on them carrying on killing people - smoking, drinking, driving...). They want to improve the economy then stop importing cheap Chinese rubbish and buy British, more money for Britain, more jobs for Britain. Simples!
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Post by nws on Mar 4, 2020 18:21:59 GMT
It's not our health they're worrying about, it's the economic consequences of loads of people being off work all at the same time that really scares them. If production collapses, so do profits. If they really cared about people dying, they'd do something about all those things that are far more deadly than Wu Flu - but those things aren't going to f**k with the economy (in fact a large part of it depends on them carrying on killing people - smoking, drinking, driving...). They want to improve the economy then stop importing cheap Chinese rubbish and buy British, more money for Britain, more jobs for Britain. Simples! I don't think we are making that much any more, mate. You know that a top economist forecast the run down of UK manufacturing, in certain conditions, don't you? down with manufacturingYour post is quite breathtaking considering how many times I have pointed the reality out...chickens, roost, to, coming, home
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Post by sword65 on Mar 4, 2020 18:55:24 GMT
You are probably right but as far as I know there is no law against resuming manufacturing of products that have been stopped. Maybe the government could set up an investment fund to help manufacturing companies restart. All the money we save from not shoring up the EU could be split between The NHS, education and manufacturing. Though doubtless this is far to simple to actually work as we will no doubt have to pay some research company £millions to come up with the same scenario and 1000 page document in 10 years time. At least it will give you something to look forward to reading.
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Post by nws on Mar 4, 2020 23:04:45 GMT
You are probably right but as far as I know there is no law against resuming manufacturing of products that have been stopped. Maybe the government could set up an investment fund to help manufacturing companies restart. All the money we save from not shoring up the EU could be split between The NHS, education and manufacturing. Though doubtless this is far to simple to actually work as we will no doubt have to pay some research company £millions to come up with the same scenario and 1000 page document in 10 years time. At least it will give you something to look forward to reading. The money 'saved' by not paying the EU seems to get spent time and time again. Do you really believe we can restart our manufacturing sector and improve the NHS on £180m* a week? *£350m if you are someone who doesn't understand things
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Post by sword65 on Mar 4, 2020 23:09:53 GMT
You are probably right but as far as I know there is no law against resuming manufacturing of products that have been stopped. Maybe the government could set up an investment fund to help manufacturing companies restart. All the money we save from not shoring up the EU could be split between The NHS, education and manufacturing. Though doubtless this is far to simple to actually work as we will no doubt have to pay some research company £millions to come up with the same scenario and 1000 page document in 10 years time. At least it will give you something to look forward to reading. The money 'saved' by not paying the EU seems to get spent time and time again. Do you really believe we can restart our manufacturing sector and improve the NHS on £180m* a week? *£350m if you are someone who doesn't understand things I am not an economist so I dont know but simple is always good for me after all simple is what I am
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