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Post by Nick on Feb 13, 2020 10:27:59 GMT
I agree with you jayser, but I suspect the words are coming from a wise old head perspective. As a teenager, if Chelsea comes calling, then you answer it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 11:19:16 GMT
I agree with you jayser, but I suspect the words are coming from a wise old head perspective. As a teenager, if Chelsea comes calling, then you answer it. I agree, but people can try and give them solid advice. We have friends who live in Hampton, a stones throw from the Hampton and Richmond Borough ground (you can see the floodlights from their windows). Their son is talented and has been in the youth system at both Brentford and QPR. He hasn't been happy at QPR - I said to his dad, don't rule out simply taking him just down the road, because there might be future first-team opportunities for him at Hampton that he may not get at the other, bigger clubs and, if he turns out to be the real deal, he WILL get spotted playing for them if he makes the first team. QPR might seem glamorous but as with all big clubs the reality consists of endless training and games on 3G pitches at multi sports centres. For the vast majority of youngsters it never goes beyond that.
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Post by tobes on Feb 13, 2020 13:22:53 GMT
I remember a few seasons back when we played Tonbridge in a Kent Senior Cup game. Jay put out the youth team against their reserves and we got spanked. It's easy to underestimate the difference in levels. I've no doubt whatsoever there are some talented boys in our under-23's who will go on to play senior semi-pro at least but throwing them in at the deep end too soon is risky at best. You can understand why these lads would want to move to a club like Chelsea, however most of them will never get anywhere near the first team. He'll probably end up getting loaned out to non-leagues sides for a couple of years and then released. That's the harsh reality for most of these lads. Personally I think if they do have that little bit of extra ability that sets them apart they are probably better off sticking it out and trying to make our first team squad because it's actually a better career path for youngsters. Let's face it, if you play well in National South when you're let's say, 19 years old you are more likely to be picked up by a league side who actually want to play you. That's better than playing for Chelsea youngsters on a training ground in front of 30 people each week and never even getting the chance to say hello to the first team squad. A different slant on this. He might not have a chance of getting near the 1st team, but if he's 16 he'll go straight into a full time scholarship program, with 1st class facilities, coaching as well as playing alongside high quality players that should help him improve. Work hard, get the right people around him and with some luck he will hopefully make it somewhere as a professional. Players get released at all levels. It's how they react to that. Not seen many come through the ranks at Maidstone since the days of Mills and Flisher, which disappoints me more than anyone, so you can understand why youngsters take the opportunity elsewhere when it arises.
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Post by daveu on Feb 13, 2020 14:11:16 GMT
I remember a few seasons back when we played Tonbridge in a Kent Senior Cup game. Jay put out the youth team against their reserves and we got spanked. It's easy to underestimate the difference in levels. I've no doubt whatsoever there are some talented boys in our under-23's who will go on to play senior semi-pro at least but throwing them in at the deep end too soon is risky at best. You can understand why these lads would want to move to a club like Chelsea, however most of them will never get anywhere near the first team. He'll probably end up getting loaned out to non-leagues sides for a couple of years and then released. That's the harsh reality for most of these lads. Personally I think if they do have that little bit of extra ability that sets them apart they are probably better off sticking it out and trying to make our first team squad because it's actually a better career path for youngsters. Let's face it, if you play well in National South when you're let's say, 19 years old you are more likely to be picked up by a league side who actually want to play you. That's better than playing for Chelsea youngsters on a training ground in front of 30 people each week and never even getting the chance to say hello to the first team squad. A different slant on this. He might not have a chance of getting near the 1st team, but if he's 16 he'll go straight into a full time scholarship program, with 1st class facilities, coaching as well as playing alongside high quality players that should help him improve. Work hard, get the right people around him and with some luck he will hopefully make it somewhere as a professional. Players get released at all levels. It's how they react to that. Not seen many come through the ranks at Maidstone since the days of Mills and Flisher, which disappoints me more than anyone, so you can understand why youngsters take the opportunity elsewhere when it arises. Easier in the days of Mills and Flisher. They both stepped up when we were in the Isthmian League. We got relegated that season so their first full season in the first team was in the Isthmian South and they developed as the team developed. The problem for youngsters now is that the jump is much bigger from youth/academy football to the NLS so they either go to the U23s or the on loan to Isthmian clubs.
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Post by tobes on Feb 13, 2020 15:04:37 GMT
A different slant on this. He might not have a chance of getting near the 1st team, but if he's 16 he'll go straight into a full time scholarship program, with 1st class facilities, coaching as well as playing alongside high quality players that should help him improve. Work hard, get the right people around him and with some luck he will hopefully make it somewhere as a professional. Players get released at all levels. It's how they react to that. Not seen many come through the ranks at Maidstone since the days of Mills and Flisher, which disappoints me more than anyone, so you can understand why youngsters take the opportunity elsewhere when it arises. Easier in the days of Mills and Flisher. They both stepped up when we were in the Isthmian League. We got relegated that season so their first full season in the first team was in the Isthmian South and they developed as the team developed. The problem for youngsters now is that the jump is much bigger from youth/academy football to the NLS so they either go to the U23s or the on loan to Isthmian clubs. Fair point re Mills and Flisher. U23's football, both pro and sem-pro, is a waste of time if you're 19+ though. Far better playing 1st team football even if that means moving to a club at a lower level.
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Post by jdl on Feb 13, 2020 15:33:15 GMT
I agree with you jayser, but I suspect the words are coming from a wise old head perspective. As a teenager, if Chelsea comes calling, then you answer it. I agree, but people can try and give them solid advice. We have friends who live in Hampton, a stones throw from the Hampton and Richmond Borough ground (you can see the floodlights from their windows). Their son is talented and has been in the youth system at both Brentford and QPR. He hasn't been happy at QPR - I said to his dad, don't rule out simply taking him just down the road, because there might be future first-team opportunities for him at Hampton that he may not get at the other, bigger clubs and, if he turns out to be the real deal, he WILL get spotted playing for them if he makes the first team. QPR might seem glamorous but as with all big clubs the reality consists of endless training and games on 3G pitches at multi sports centres. For the vast majority of youngsters it never goes beyond that. "QPR might seem glamorous" On what possible planet?!
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Post by hongkongstone on Feb 14, 2020 0:47:04 GMT
Admittedly not my area of expertise but if Chelsea do want to sign the lad can we not negotiate a first refusal clause in the contract for any future loan or sale? And while we are at it also negotiate a sell-on fee/percentage?
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Post by jdh80 on Feb 14, 2020 6:23:22 GMT
I remember a few seasons back when we played Tonbridge in a Kent Senior Cup game. Jay put out the youth team against their reserves and we got spanked. It's easy to underestimate the difference in levels. I've no doubt whatsoever there are some talented boys in our under-23's who will go on to play senior semi-pro at least but throwing them in at the deep end too soon is risky at best. You can understand why these lads would want to move to a club like Chelsea, however most of them will never get anywhere near the first team. He'll probably end up getting loaned out to non-leagues sides for a couple of years and then released. That's the harsh reality for most of these lads. Personally I think if they do have that little bit of extra ability that sets them apart they are probably better off sticking it out and trying to make our first team squad because it's actually a better career path for youngsters. Let's face it, if you play well in National South when you're let's say, 19 years old you are more likely to be picked up by a league side who actually want to play you. That's better than playing for Chelsea youngsters on a training ground in front of 30 people each week and never even getting the chance to say hello to the first team squad. With the Chelsea thing it's not just the lads eyes that light up, if you look at the scholarship programs then parents would like this as well as their son will get a good college education and if you don't make your grades you can get cut all fine details in the contracts. That way they can be sure that their son studies or he loses his place in the team. What Chelsea do a lot though is loan the players out usually Dutch league they've had a lot of players on loan for long periods over at Vitesse Arnhem, then after three years the players haven't developed and get released from their contracts by Chelsea. One thing young Mason might want to do is see if he can contact Ben Swift down at Margate who was a former youngster at Maidstone but got picked up by Aston Villa, not to hear about bad things but more what demands are made of you mentally physically what does it prepare you for do you have any say in decisions etc just to prepare himself in the hope that he can make the next step up.
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Post by daveu on Feb 14, 2020 9:07:31 GMT
The SE Counties is step up. I guess the powers that be don’t think being the best team in the league gives much of a basis for improving your game. I think Chelsea would be inviting him for a trial to see if he is capable of playing at the higher level. If they think he is, I’d suspect a few years of gym work and Conditioning would follow. You could be right, but you also said they could dump him after 6 months, shattering his confidence and setting his career back whereas he could progress for a couple of years with us providing we had the bottle to let him play. Good idea, let's fill the team with 16 year olds and get relegated.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 14, 2020 9:21:58 GMT
You could be right, but you also said they could dump him after 6 months, shattering his confidence and setting his career back whereas he could progress for a couple of years with us providing we had the bottle to let him play. Good idea, let's fill the team with 16 year olds and get relegated. Dont be silly Dave, I am on about one player who allegedly stands out above the rest to the point where a Premier league club is interested. They would not be interested if he didnt have above average talent/potential. Maybe ,just maybe he might be better than Iffy f**king Allen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 11:19:23 GMT
I agree, but people can try and give them solid advice. We have friends who live in Hampton, a stones throw from the Hampton and Richmond Borough ground (you can see the floodlights from their windows). Their son is talented and has been in the youth system at both Brentford and QPR. He hasn't been happy at QPR - I said to his dad, don't rule out simply taking him just down the road, because there might be future first-team opportunities for him at Hampton that he may not get at the other, bigger clubs and, if he turns out to be the real deal, he WILL get spotted playing for them if he makes the first team. QPR might seem glamorous but as with all big clubs the reality consists of endless training and games on 3G pitches at multi sports centres. For the vast majority of youngsters it never goes beyond that. "QPR might seem glamorous" On what possible planet?! On the planet where you're comparing them to Hampton and Richmond Borough
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Post by daveu on Feb 14, 2020 11:25:14 GMT
Good idea, let's fill the team with 16 year olds and get relegated. Dont be silly Dave, I am on about one player who allegedly stands out above the rest to the point where a Premier league club is interested. They would not be interested if he didnt have above average talent/potential. Maybe ,just maybe he might be better than Iffy f**king Allen. And maybe he isn't yet. Pretty sure our management team are on the ball regarding any players who are ready to step up. Just out of interest, how many times have you seen him play.
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Post by pedant on Feb 14, 2020 11:34:46 GMT
Admittedly not my area of expertise but if Chelsea do want to sign the lad can we not negotiate a first refusal clause in the contract for any future loan or sale? And while we are at it also negotiate a sell-on fee/percentage? Wouldn't the player need to be on a contract with us for that to even be a possibility?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 12:24:16 GMT
Admittedly not my area of expertise but if Chelsea do want to sign the lad can we not negotiate a first refusal clause in the contract for any future loan or sale? And while we are at it also negotiate a sell-on fee/percentage? Wouldn't the player need to be on a contract with us for that to even be a possibility? Definitely. That's why we only got courtesy payments from Fulham for Chris Smalling.
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Post by nws on Feb 14, 2020 12:50:07 GMT
Dont be silly Dave, I am on about one player who allegedly stands out above the rest to the point where a Premier league club is interested. They would not be interested if he didnt have above average talent/potential. Maybe ,just maybe he might be better than Iffy f**king Allen. And maybe he isn't yet. Pretty sure our management team are on the ball regarding any players who are ready to step up. Just out of interest, how many times have you seen him play. Have you not realised what era we are living in now. Only today we have someone who voted for tighter border controls complaining about delays due to...tighter border controls. You don't need to actually know something to stop it being a fact. Incidentally, I have never seen Lewis Hamilton drive although I'm guessing he is fairly decent at it...
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