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Post by sword65 on Feb 12, 2020 16:56:41 GMT
I see today that Mason Burstow has had a trial for Chelsea. He apparently scored one and gained an assist which leads me to a few questions. 1. If Mason is that good that Chelsea are looking at him then why ,when we are struggling for goals, is he not playing for the first team? 2. What is the point of having young players if we are just gonna groom them for someone else? 3. Should some rule be put in place that junior players should not be allowed to be poached before,let's say, their 18th birthday? 4. If Chelsea are interested should their be a minimum transfer fee set in stone so that they dont poach him for free?
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Post by pwoodstone on Feb 12, 2020 17:30:47 GMT
I see today that Mason Burstow has had a trial for Chelsea. He apparently scored one and gained an assist which leads me to a few questions. 1. If Mason is that good that Chelsea are looking at him then why ,when we are struggling for goals, is he not playing for the first team? 2. What is the point of having young players if we are just gonna groom them for someone else? 3. Should some rule be put in place that junior players should not be allowed to be poached before,let's say, their 18th birthday? 4. If Chelsea are interested should their be a minimum transfer fee set in stone so that they dont poach him for free? 1. He is only 16 and wouldn’t be up to playing in the NLS. Chelsea will obviously be buying I’m for the future and their revolving loan system. 2. It’s always been the case. I thought you were an advocate for amateur football at this level of the pyramid? 3. A rule of some kind might be nice but would the players themselves really be a fan of this if it meant missing out on a chance because the process is made more difficult? 4. Again, the players would be against this as I doubt Chelsea would pay for a player that they are probably going to release in 6 months anyway. Maybe a sell-on clause rule could be introduced or a certain fee once a number of first team games has been reached.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 12, 2020 17:55:59 GMT
I see today that Mason Burstow has had a trial for Chelsea. He apparently scored one and gained an assist which leads me to a few questions. 1. If Mason is that good that Chelsea are looking at him then why ,when we are struggling for goals, is he not playing for the first team? 2. What is the point of having young players if we are just gonna groom them for someone else? 3. Should some rule be put in place that junior players should not be allowed to be poached before,let's say, their 18th birthday? 4. If Chelsea are interested should their be a minimum transfer fee set in stone so that they dont poach him for free? 1. He is only 16 and wouldn’t be up to playing in the NLS. Chelsea will obviously be buying I’m for the future and their revolving loan system. 2. It’s always been the case. I thought you were an advocate for amateur football at this level of the pyramid? 3. A rule of some kind might be nice but would the players themselves really be a fan of this if it meant missing out on a chance because the process is made more difficult? 4. Again, the players would be against this as I doubt Chelsea would pay for a player that they are probably going to release in 6 months anyway. Maybe a sell-on clause rule could be introduced or a certain fee once a number of first team games has been reached. Wayne Rooney was playing for Everton when he was 16 ,he coped ok. How do we know he wouldn't handle it until you try him?
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Post by pedant on Feb 12, 2020 18:57:19 GMT
1. He is only 16 and wouldn’t be up to playing in the NLS. Chelsea will obviously be buying I’m for the future and their revolving loan system. 2. It’s always been the case. I thought you were an advocate for amateur football at this level of the pyramid? 3. A rule of some kind might be nice but would the players themselves really be a fan of this if it meant missing out on a chance because the process is made more difficult? 4. Again, the players would be against this as I doubt Chelsea would pay for a player that they are probably going to release in 6 months anyway. Maybe a sell-on clause rule could be introduced or a certain fee once a number of first team games has been reached. Wayne Rooney was playing for Everton when he was 16 ,he coped ok. How do we know he wouldn't handle it until you try him?Perhaps by watching him train and how he plays for the U23s?
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Post by sword65 on Feb 12, 2020 19:06:03 GMT
Wayne Rooney was playing for Everton when he was 16 ,he coped ok. How do we know he wouldn't handle it until you try him?Perhaps by watching him train and how he plays for the U23s? Well if he doesnt train well and cannot handle the under 23's then why are Chelsea interested in him?
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Post by pedant on Feb 12, 2020 19:14:22 GMT
Perhaps by watching him train and how he plays for the U23s? Well if he doesnt train well and cannot handle the under 23's then why are Chelsea interested in him? Perhaps these professionals can tell if a player is or isn't yet ready for 'men's' football but they can see the potential?
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Post by Nick on Feb 12, 2020 19:16:09 GMT
Talk about a dog with a bone.
And there us a chance that sword is right.
Odds around 1 to 100trillion against.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 12, 2020 19:43:35 GMT
Talk about a dog with a bone. And there us a chance that sword is right. Odds around 1 to 100trillion against. And theres an outside chance that if you gave him a game he might just win it for you. And if these U23's cant handle mens football then why are we entering them into the South East counties league next season? Those fans who lived through those Kent league days know that most players like kicking everything except the ball so how will these little boys cope with that.
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Post by pwoodstone on Feb 12, 2020 20:13:16 GMT
1. He is only 16 and wouldn’t be up to playing in the NLS. Chelsea will obviously be buying I’m for the future and their revolving loan system. 2. It’s always been the case. I thought you were an advocate for amateur football at this level of the pyramid? 3. A rule of some kind might be nice but would the players themselves really be a fan of this if it meant missing out on a chance because the process is made more difficult? 4. Again, the players would be against this as I doubt Chelsea would pay for a player that they are probably going to release in 6 months anyway. Maybe a sell-on clause rule could be introduced or a certain fee once a number of first team games has been reached. Wayne Rooney was playing for Everton when he was 16 ,he coped ok. How do we know he wouldn't handle it until you try him? Rooney did cope. I can name several others who didn’t though.
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Post by pwoodstone on Feb 12, 2020 20:15:53 GMT
Talk about a dog with a bone. And there us a chance that sword is right. Odds around 1 to 100trillion against. And theres an outside chance that if you gave him a game he might just win it for you. And if these U23's cant handle mens football then why are we entering them into the South East counties league next season? Those fans who lived through those Kent league days know that most players like kicking everything except the ball so how will these little boys cope with that. The SE Counties is step up. I guess the powers that be don’t think being the best team in the league gives much of a basis for improving your game. I think Chelsea would be inviting him for a trial to see if he is capable of playing at the higher level. If they think he is, I’d suspect a few years of gym work and Conditioning would follow.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 12, 2020 20:42:35 GMT
And theres an outside chance that if you gave him a game he might just win it for you. And if these U23's cant handle mens football then why are we entering them into the South East counties league next season? Those fans who lived through those Kent league days know that most players like kicking everything except the ball so how will these little boys cope with that. The SE Counties is step up. I guess the powers that be don’t think being the best team in the league gives much of a basis for improving your game. I think Chelsea would be inviting him for a trial to see if he is capable of playing at the higher level. If they think he is, I’d suspect a few years of gym work and Conditioning would follow. You could be right, but you also said they could dump him after 6 months, shattering his confidence and setting his career back whereas he could progress for a couple of years with us providing we had the bottle to let him play.
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Post by pwoodstone on Feb 12, 2020 20:48:15 GMT
I’m sure they would if he was ready. I think Chelsea are interested in his potential.
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Post by Nick on Feb 12, 2020 21:40:14 GMT
The thing is sword, if he was good enough to be a success for the Stones in NLS at the age of 16, then he would be gone as quick as a flash. The big clubs will always sweep up young talent but the harsh reality is that the vast majority will end up outside the EFL let alone Chelsea. You are not alone in wishing to see local talent come through the ranks, but the truth is if they are genuinely good enough as teenagers, their time with the club will be short-lived.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 12, 2020 22:10:35 GMT
The thing is sword, if he was good enough to be a success for the Stones in NLS at the age of 16, then he would be gone as quick as a flash. The big clubs will always sweep up young talent but the harsh reality is that the vast majority will end up outside the EFL let alone Chelsea. You are not alone in wishing to see local talent come through the ranks, but the truth is if they are genuinely good enough as teenagers, their time with the club will be short-lived. I know, just dont like it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 10:13:37 GMT
I remember a few seasons back when we played Tonbridge in a Kent Senior Cup game. Jay put out the youth team against their reserves and we got spanked. It's easy to underestimate the difference in levels. I've no doubt whatsoever there are some talented boys in our under-23's who will go on to play senior semi-pro at least but throwing them in at the deep end too soon is risky at best.
You can understand why these lads would want to move to a club like Chelsea, however most of them will never get anywhere near the first team. He'll probably end up getting loaned out to non-leagues sides for a couple of years and then released. That's the harsh reality for most of these lads. Personally I think if they do have that little bit of extra ability that sets them apart they are probably better off sticking it out and trying to make our first team squad because it's actually a better career path for youngsters. Let's face it, if you play well in National South when you're let's say, 19 years old you are more likely to be picked up by a league side who actually want to play you. That's better than playing for Chelsea youngsters on a training ground in front of 30 people each week and never even getting the chance to say hello to the first team squad.
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