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Post by jdl on Feb 11, 2020 20:19:03 GMT
It was ever thus. In the old amateur days, Dulwich were the biggest south-east London club, then Palace decided to go pro and DH stuck to their principles. By the time Hamlet took the Devil's coin, it was too late, Palace were the big club (not a phrase I ever exprected to be typing!). On my first visit to (the old) Champion's Hill, DH were even using Palace's old lights - a gift to their poorer neighbour...
And just look at rugby union...
But I don't buy that old amateur/gentleman schtick - if you expect people to train several night's a week and play every Saturday, just for your enjoyment, the least you can do is pay them.
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Post by headstone on Feb 11, 2020 21:01:47 GMT
Back in the early 60s we were supposedly amateur, but still paying "expenses" and "boot money" in order to attract better players (as I discovered somewhere in the museum exhibits). Once we stopped that, and took on only local talent (I use the term loosely), we couldn't get out of the bottom three of the Isthmian League (the other two perennial strugglers being Clapton and Dulwich Hamlet). Until we were saved by Jim Thompson....
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Post by hongkongstone on Feb 12, 2020 2:53:41 GMT
There is a reason why Liverpool are top of the Premier League and we have an existence bouncing around the non leagues. More supporters equals money for better players equals more money. On that basis then how do Accrington Stanley survive in League 1 or how did Macclesfield get promoted from the NL?
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Post by pedant on Feb 12, 2020 15:42:28 GMT
Are the playoff dates already published? (and if so, where?)
Made a token gesture of looking at the National League website but failed in that as well.
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Post by jdh80 on Feb 14, 2020 6:57:01 GMT
I am afraid that I am one of those people who believe that players should not be paid anything other than travel expenses at this level of football and the more clubs pay them the greedier they get. Professional football and professional wages should be for the elite 92 clubs . If a player at this level is good enough to be picked for an EFL or Prem league team then he can fleece them for as much as he wants but if he is not good enough he should take a regular job . This would not only stop non-league clubs going to the wall but the money earned through sponsorship and gate receipts could be more wisely spent on ground improvements for the supporters. This should apply to all Non-league clubs and would therefore level the playing field so to speak. I would though employ some kind of win bonus to keep the players interested, a small payment after 5,10,15,20,25 wins and perhaps an end of season bonus if they win the league an/or get promoted. I do not expect anyone on this board to agree with me but it will not change my opinion. The problem is sword people will always find ways to bend the system, like some sports that have salary caps i can sit down with you and tell you many different ways teams can flount salary caps and know first hand due to witnessing it. Also in your example above the team(s) who get promoted to league 2 will then have the devils job building a team for the new season negotiating new contracts with every player. The sad thing is if a player asks for or is offered decent wages for that level he's hardly going to turn it down, the same as anyone if i have two companies offering me a job and one is £30k and the other £35k I'm going to the highest bidder, if both offered me £35k I'd be looking at what else is on offer, possible progression etc, travel time, facilities/local amenities etc so i don't blame the players for the ridiculous wages that's the club for being dumb enough to pay them.
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Post by hammerstone on Feb 14, 2020 7:17:31 GMT
Teams can flaunt salary caps (give properties,cars or even hire their spouse as a “cleaner” on an astronomical wage), but in rugby if you look at Saracens they’ve certainly had their punishment for failing to comply. For years they essentially bought titles but now have been relegated, lost huge sponsorships. Players and have even tied themselves into a 5 year deal with Spurs using their stadium...add to that the RFU have slashed funding championship clubs get they are looking at the real possibility the club won’t exist.
I think in practice it will be too hard to implement now unless it’s done lower down the food chain, but would in my eyes be more beneficial
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Post by 61666 on Feb 14, 2020 8:51:58 GMT
Various research shows that money is only about fifth in the list of why most people go to work. Job satisfaction, being with people and having a routine are usually at the top. Seems football is one of those areas where normal rules don't apply.
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Post by daveu on Feb 14, 2020 11:26:51 GMT
Teams can flaunt salary caps (give properties,cars or even hire their spouse as a “cleaner” on an astronomical wage), but in rugby if you look at Saracens they’ve certainly had their punishment for failing to comply. For years they essentially bought titles but now have been relegated, lost huge sponsorships. Players and have even tied themselves into a 5 year deal with Spurs using their stadium...add to that the RFU have slashed funding championship clubs get they are looking at the real possibility the club won’t exist. I think in practice it will be too hard to implement now unless it’s done lower down the food chain, but would in my eyes be more beneficial I think you mean flout. Flaunt would be a very dodgy thing to do
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Post by hammerstone on Feb 14, 2020 12:02:51 GMT
Teams can flaunt salary caps (give properties,cars or even hire their spouse as a “cleaner” on an astronomical wage), but in rugby if you look at Saracens they’ve certainly had their punishment for failing to comply. For years they essentially bought titles but now have been relegated, lost huge sponsorships. Players and have even tied themselves into a 5 year deal with Spurs using their stadium...add to that the RFU have slashed funding championship clubs get they are looking at the real possibility the club won’t exist. I think in practice it will be too hard to implement now unless it’s done lower down the food chain, but would in my eyes be more beneficial I think you mean flout. Flaunt would be a very dodgy thing to do It would be interesting to see a team try that. The boat has already sailed I think for any proper financial regulation in football to take place anyway, at least to a point that would stop the likes of Salford/whatever team Tamplin buys. Tamplin Probably would have his next vision to buy a cricket team if that came in
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Post by pwoodstone on Feb 14, 2020 12:41:03 GMT
I still don’t see why a sugar daddy would pump millions in to move a team from the non- league to League 2 or even 1.
Unless they are a ‘sleeping giant’ with a massive following, they’ll never see a return on their investment will they?
The good Dr up the road is doing it for PR reasons isn’t he?
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Post by royalstone on Feb 14, 2020 16:20:55 GMT
I still don’t see why a sugar daddy would pump millions in to move a team from the non- league to League 2 or even 1. Unless they are a ‘sleeping giant’ with a massive following, they’ll never see a return on their investment will they? The good Dr up the road is doing it for PR reasons isn’t he? The same reason these multi- millionaires buy supercars for example. Yes they must be nice to drive but mostly because they've got money to burn and they like to be in control and say look at me! The trouble is when they get bored of their car that's fine but when they get bored of their football club it's potentially an entire community down the swanny!
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Post by jdh80 on Feb 14, 2020 20:47:35 GMT
I still don’t see why a sugar daddy would pump millions in to move a team from the non- league to League 2 or even 1. Unless they are a ‘sleeping giant’ with a massive following, they’ll never see a return on their investment will they? The good Dr up the road is doing it for PR reasons isn’t he? Massage their ego. Look at tamplin, it's all about him attention seeker, and when someone questions him he claims they are haters when in reality they see the long term issues he is creating, but he doesn't want that he wants everyone to think he is a messiah when he's not.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Feb 14, 2020 20:50:03 GMT
He is a very naughty boy.
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Post by 61666 on Feb 15, 2020 8:28:08 GMT
Sounds like Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Tony Blair, etc, etc
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Post by 61666 on Feb 15, 2020 17:11:13 GMT
Distinctly compromised now you'd think. George and Noah out for three games, plus we are likely to be knackered for Tuesday's game against Bath. And just as we'd got a full strength side back...
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