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Post by pedant on Feb 10, 2020 13:39:46 GMT
Seriously though, how many of us, given the choice of NL or NS, would opt for another season in the NS? Me.
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Post by Bernie on Feb 10, 2020 13:39:51 GMT
I quite like it here. Not enough to become a permanent resident, but enough for a nice little holiday. The National League has become even more ex-EFL and sugar-daddyish in our short absence. From being one of the bigger clubs attendance-wise, we would now be very average. From memory, we didn't much like it last time.
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Post by daveu on Feb 10, 2020 13:45:27 GMT
Seriously though, how many of us, given the choice of NL or NS, would opt for another season in the NS? I guess you already know my thoughts on that one, but just to reiterate, I would rather be a yoyo club than one that just sits in its comfort zone. The whole point of all competitive sport is to do the best you can, but unless you're one of the top half a dozen clubs in the premier league you will eventually reach a level at which you struggle. That is the nature of competition and something you have to live with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 14:30:49 GMT
Since Boucaud and Temelci arrived (compared to the midfield performance at Dorking...) I'd feel a lot less nervous about us going up. 6 points off Torquay is a given; just got to find another 40 or so to stay up. Looking at the NL table any 2 of the top 13 could go up (I won't do the "wheels falling off at Barrow" joke again...) then G&N Chorley and any 2 of the next 9 going down. Chesterfield, Wrexham and (Cup money?) Sutton perhaps surprises in the bottom pack; Woking and Barrow doing better than expected, Bromley and Boreham Wood too but annoyingly they just do well almost every year. (My turn to do an NL table summary while JDL pops to Boots for some incontinence pads for the trip to H&W...)
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Post by jdl on Feb 10, 2020 14:33:19 GMT
Since Boucaud and Temelci arrived (compared to the midfield performance at Dorking...) I'd feel a lot less nervous about us going up. 6 points off Torquay is a given; just got to find another 40 or so to stay up. Looking at the NL table any 2 of the top 13 could go up (I won't do the "wheels falling off at Barrow" joke again...) then G&N Chorley and any 2 of the next 9 going down. Chesterfield, Wrexham and (Cup money?) Sutton perhaps surprises in the bottom pack; Woking and Barrow doing better than expected, Bromley and Boreham Wood too but annoyingly they just do well almost every year. (My turn to do an NL table summary while JDL pops to Boots for some incontinence pads for the trip to H&W...) Already got plenty of them! But, go on, do the 'wheels fall off at Barrow' joke again...
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Post by jdl on Feb 10, 2020 14:34:39 GMT
Seriously though, how many of us, given the choice of NL or NS, would opt for another season in the NS? I guess you already know my thoughts on that one, but just to reiterate, I would rather be a yoyo club than one that just sits in its comfort zone. The whole point of all competitive sport is to do the best you can, but unless you're one of the top half a dozen clubs in the premier league you will eventually reach a level at which you struggle. That is the nature of competition and something you have to live with. I'm with Dave on this one - so that's 2 for staying in the NS 'comfort zone', and 2 for trying our luck in the NL again. He who dares, Rodders.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Feb 10, 2020 14:39:23 GMT
I guess you already know my thoughts on that one, but just to reiterate, I would rather be a yoyo club than one that just sits in its comfort zone. The whole point of all competitive sport is to do the best you can, but unless you're one of the top half a dozen clubs in the premier league you will eventually reach a level at which you struggle. That is the nature of competition and something you have to live with. I'm with Dave on this one - so that's 2 for staying in the NS 'comfort zone', and 2 for trying our luck in the NL again. He who dares, Rodders. Stay in NLS comfort zone only if we go part time. You cannot justify staying in it and paying FT wages. If we stay full-time, it has to be all out for NL.
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Post by pedant on Feb 10, 2020 15:30:11 GMT
I guess you already know my thoughts on that one, but just to reiterate, I would rather be a yoyo club than one that just sits in its comfort zone. The whole point of all competitive sport is to do the best you can, but unless you're one of the top half a dozen clubs in the premier league you will eventually reach a level at which you struggle. That is the nature of competition and something you have to live with. I'm with Dave on this one - so that's 2 for staying in the NS 'comfort zone', and 2 for trying our luck in the NL again. He who dares, Rodders. So, now you've flavoured your own 'reasonable', fairly neutral question with a sweeping generalisation that the respondents were choosing between "trying our luck in the NL again" and wanting to stay in a comfort zone.
How 'comfortable' was it on Saturday against Braintree?
I'm happy to try our luck again in the National League but not desperate to do so.
In the meantime and in defence of the National League South my own sweeping statements are: overall the away games are considerably nearer generally the admission prices are cheaper the atmosphere in the grounds is usually better apart from at the Gallagher segregation is a rarity sensible consumption of alcohol whilst watching the game isn't condemned
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Post by Bernie on Feb 10, 2020 15:38:31 GMT
Stay in NLS comfort zone only if we go part time. You cannot justify staying in it and paying FT wages. If we stay full-time, it has to be all out for NL. Depends if we can afford it or not. If income covers expenditure, then being full time will ensure we are always there or thereabouts. It wouldn't make sense to keep switching between part and full time every few seasons. We'll learn a lot about finances when annual accounts are published in a few weeks.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 10, 2020 15:48:26 GMT
We could find out all of our foreign players are ineligible and get demoted 6 divisions back to the county league. Nearer away games, hop over the nearest fence save paying and proper kick them in the air football. 👨🚀👨🚀👨🚀👨🚀Swordyman ,wake up you having a nightmare👨🚀👨🚀👨🚀👨🚀
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Feb 10, 2020 16:05:46 GMT
Stay in NLS comfort zone only if we go part time. You cannot justify staying in it and paying FT wages. If we stay full-time, it has to be all out for NL. Depends if we can afford it or not. If income covers expenditure, then being full time will ensure we are always there or thereabouts. It wouldn't make sense to keep switching between part and full time every few seasons. We'll learn a lot about finances when annual accounts are published in a few weeks. Good point.
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Post by royalstone on Feb 10, 2020 16:15:04 GMT
Perhaps having an under 23 squad could help our first team squad stay full time because if our u23 squad can produce players that are good enough as stand ins/ bench warmers then we might get by with a smaller squad of first team full-timers. A full time first team squad of say 16 would cost a lot less than having say 25 full-timers. Just a thought, not sure how John or Hak would feel about having a reduced first team squad. Regarding NS v NL, NL all day for me but not at any cost, balancing the books should come first.
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Post by jdl on Feb 10, 2020 17:00:25 GMT
I'm with Dave on this one - so that's 2 for staying in the NS 'comfort zone', and 2 for trying our luck in the NL again. He who dares, Rodders. So, now you've flavoured your own 'reasonable', fairly neutral question with a sweeping generalisation that the respondents were choosing between "trying our luck in the NL again" and wanting to stay in a comfort zone.
How 'comfortable' was it on Saturday against Braintree?
I'm happy to try our luck again in the National League but not desperate to do so.
In the meantime and in defence of the National League South my own sweeping statements are: overall the away games are considerably nearer generally the admission prices are cheaper the atmosphere in the grounds is usually better apart from at the Gallagher segregation is a rarity sensible consumption of alcohol whilst watching the game isn't condemned
I'm all for sweeping generalisations - this is a football board after all! I was very comfortable on Saturday, that's the problem, I guess. We played very nicely, but neither side looked likely to score - one moment of genius separated the two sides, when it should have been half a dozen goals. But I suppose I've got used to this now. Even the traditional last 10 minutes, waiting for the other side to fluke an equaliser didn't bother me. A win was nice (although a convincing win would have been nicer, considering we were playing an IS side with an on-loan keeper), but, even if we had done our usual and blown 2 points, I wouldn't have been stressed. Shit happens (all too often), we're not going down, we play nice football, we get decent crowds, the chips are OK... But, that's not what I want from football - I want to be mentally and physically exhausted by the end of the game (or at least moderately exciteded/disappointed). I didn't enjoy most of last season, but that was more the Clown and the management merry-go-round than the relegaton (unless your Le Arse, relegation is part of football), but I enjoyed our first two NL seasons far more than I have this one. Perhaps I shouldn't have, but that's how it is.
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Post by rollingstone on Feb 10, 2020 17:22:16 GMT
Nobody expected us to go into the NL so quickly, the projection was that we would be in the NLS for about five years, obviously we were 4 years to quick!
I for one would love us to go back into the NL, but financially, are we equipped to do so?
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Post by sword65 on Feb 10, 2020 17:45:50 GMT
Nobody expected us to go into the NL so quickly, the projection was that we would be in the NLS for about five years, obviously we were 4 years to quick! I for one would love us to go back into the NL, but financially, are we equipped to do so? As you would know Rolly, its early DOORS yet.
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