Will of the people!!!

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Jan 13, 2020 11:08:26 GMT nws said:

OK...democracy. Democracy, includes ignoring the majority in 2019 to respect the majority of 2016, yes?

How many seats did the Tories win by?

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www.ft.com/content/44d9e928-21a4-11ea-92da-f0c92e957a96

Is Johnson right to insist on negotiations ending by 2020. Can we trust this, after all he never ended up 'dead in a ditch' after 31st October.

How will things go post-Brexit? I find it worrying when I keep reading quotes such as these:


"Mr Johnson’s insistence on an end-2020 deadline for negotiations with Brussels means the best Britain will get from the EU is a bare bones deal covering trade in goods. The damage to the economy inflicted by Brexit will thus be at the pessimistic end of expectations."

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Jan 13, 2020 11:24:40 GMT daveu said:

Jan 13, 2020 11:08:26 GMT nws said:

OK...democracy. Democracy, includes ignoring the majority in 2019 to respect the majority of 2016, yes?

How many seats did the Tories win by?

I was referring to the Brexit issue and it being a second referendum 'will of the people' majority', if you had been bothering to follow the conversation rather than leaping in thinking you had a killer point with which to 'suss me out'.

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Jan 13, 2020 11:29:21 GMT nws said:

Jan 13, 2020 11:24:40 GMT daveu said:

How many seats did the Tories win by?

I was referring to the Brexit issue and it being a second referendum 'will of the people' majority', if you had been bothering to follow the conversation rather than leaping in thinking you had a killer point with which to 'suss me out'.

So where was this "Will of the people" majority in 2019. The election campaign was fought almost entirely on Brexit and the main Brexit supporting party gained a huge majority. I think you'll find my point was a whole lot more valid than your evasion.

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Jan 13, 2020 11:57:35 GMT daveu said:

Jan 13, 2020 11:29:21 GMT nws said:

I was referring to the Brexit issue and it being a second referendum 'will of the people' majority', if you had been bothering to follow the conversation rather than leaping in thinking you had a killer point with which to 'suss me out'.

So where was this "Will of the people" majority in 2019. The election campaign was fought almost entirely on Brexit and the main Brexit supporting party gained a huge majority. I think you'll find my point was a whole lot more valid than your evasion.

Remain 0 Brexit 2

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Best of 5

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Jan 13, 2020 11:57:35 GMT daveu said:

Jan 13, 2020 11:29:21 GMT nws said:

I was referring to the Brexit issue and it being a second referendum 'will of the people' majority', if you had been bothering to follow the conversation rather than leaping in thinking you had a killer point with which to 'suss me out'.

So where was this "Will of the people" majority in 2019. The election campaign was fought almost entirely on Brexit and the main Brexit supporting party gained a huge majority. I think you'll find my point was a whole lot more valid than your evasion.

Jesus Lord. Are you being deliberately thick?

It is in the original article. Over a million people more voted for parties supporting either a second referendum or revocation of Article 50. How is a million people less a majority?

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Jan 13, 2020 12:00:20 GMT sword65 said:

Jan 13, 2020 11:57:35 GMT daveu said:

So where was this "Will of the people" majority in 2019. The election campaign was fought almost entirely on Brexit and the main Brexit supporting party gained a huge majority. I think you'll find my point was a whole lot more valid than your evasion.

Remain 0 Brexit 2

If you cannot understand things it is, yes.

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Jan 13, 2020 12:46:42 GMT nws said:

Jan 13, 2020 12:00:20 GMT sword65 said:

Remain 0 Brexit 2

If you cannot understand things it is, yes.

NWS your forum persona is that of a really not a very nice person. It claims to want to want intellectual debate but has no intention of ever changing any of its views, no matter what happens in votes, elections, or anything. It insults anyone who offers different views, and even when they give their evidence, it spends hours counter arguing them with more and more research to out-intellectuallize them and make them out to be stupid, and then claim a kind of "victory" which is very, very hollow. If you really are that smart, PLEASE run for office and stop turning our local football club website into more and more endless threads of political drivel.

I am sure you are a very decent human being really, so my advice to that human being would be that your NWS persona be respectfully laid down for your own health and wellbeing, or go find a non FOOTBALL forum to be get off your chest whatever angst against life you seem to need to have to get out so doggedly and so vituperatively.

Swords darkness, obvious suffering and outrageousness cynicism and life views generates humour, sympathy and care for the old f*rt. You could learn a lot from Sword.

Personally I'd rather have Sword and his parrot in No10 than maniacal obsessives who write so much drivel with such malice and one upmanship!

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Jan 13, 2020 12:45:57 GMT nws said:

Jan 13, 2020 11:57:35 GMT daveu said:

So where was this "Will of the people" majority in 2019. The election campaign was fought almost entirely on Brexit and the main Brexit supporting party gained a huge majority. I think you'll find my point was a whole lot more valid than your evasion.

Jesus Lord. Are you being deliberately thick?

It is in the original article. Over a million people more voted for parties supporting either a second referendum or revocation of Article 50. How is a million people less a majority?

There is no way you can make a connection between voting labour and opposing Brexit. It would clearly have been a step too far for many labour supporters to change their allegiance to the Tories even if they supported Brexit. On top of that, Jeremy Corben was a reluctant supporter of a second referendum and Labour was very much on the fence. The only parties with a clear Remain policy were The Greens and the Liberal Democrats, neither of whom made any significant inroads, so maybe I'm not the one who's being thick. Face up to it pal, we lost, it's not gonna change and all your bleating and whining isn't going to change anything so you might as well get used to it.

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Yup, lefty hand-wringing about how dreadful it all is, is getting really tedious. Thank God for the Unfollow button on FB...
That Keir Starmer looks relatively sane - as indeed do all 5 candidates to replace the walking disaster that was Corbyn.
Even if there were more Remainers - if they're fragmented between Green, Lib Dem, Labour, SNP etc then that doesn't make a majority in a democracy.
Meanwhile in Abingdon our MP has come out as pansexual. Which is nice.
Looking across the Channel at the French still in a strop about a sensible pension system, maybe we are better off out of it...

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Strange that the superior French pension system is cited as a reason to be better off out of the EU.
You may as well cite the production of crap German cars too.
In swords make believe world of wonderment we may all be able to look foward to driving around in Austin Allegros or maybe Hillman Imps in a few years.
Happy days ahead.

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Cannot understand these moaning remainers, at least daveu is moving on and looking forward to a much brighter future where we all prosper and the pesky foreigners have gone home.
After all, leaving the largest free market the world has even seen, can only bring benefits to the UK.
So obvious.

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Jan 13, 2020 14:52:07 GMT daveu said:

Jan 13, 2020 12:45:57 GMT nws said:

Jesus Lord. Are you being deliberately thick?

It is in the original article. Over a million people more voted for parties supporting either a second referendum or revocation of Article 50. How is a million people less a majority?

There is no way you can make a connection between voting labour and opposing Brexit. It would clearly have been a step too far for many labour supporters to change their allegiance to the Tories even if they supported Brexit. On top of that, Jeremy Corben was a reluctant supporter of a second referendum and Labour was very much on the fence. The only parties with a clear Remain policy were The Greens and the Liberal Democrats, neither of whom made any significant inroads, so maybe I'm not the one who's being thick. Face up to it pal, we lost, it's not gonna change and all your bleating and whining isn't going to change anything so you might as well get used to it.

Well not really true daveu, you can and he did. No more that you can state the 100% of Tories oppose brexit.
Opinions polls continue to suggest that the majority of the electorate favours staying in.

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Jan 13, 2020 16:51:11 GMT nick said:

Jan 13, 2020 14:52:07 GMT daveu said:

There is no way you can make a connection between voting labour and opposing Brexit. It would clearly have been a step too far for many labour supporters to change their allegiance to the Tories even if they supported Brexit. On top of that, Jeremy Corben was a reluctant supporter of a second referendum and Labour was very much on the fence. The only parties with a clear Remain policy were The Greens and the Liberal Democrats, neither of whom made any significant inroads, so maybe I'm not the one who's being thick. Face up to it pal, we lost, it's not gonna change and all your bleating and whining isn't going to change anything so you might as well get used to it.

Well not really true daveu, you can and he did. No more that you can state the 100% of Tories oppose brexit.
Opinions polls continue to suggest that the majority of the electorate favours staying in.

Not sure that opinion polls can be held up as beacons of democracy. What it boils down to in the end is that under our present constitution the only measure of democracy available to us is the general election result. We may not like it but we all voted knowing the rules and those supporting Brexit won by an unassailable majority, and however much NWS bleats about how unfair it was nothing is going to change the result. I was a Remainer myself but I don't feel the need to keep whining about what should have been. It's done, I've reconciled myself to it and the last thing this forum needs is some bloody malcontent keep on posting his whining and bleating on here and ruining it for those of us who really only want to talk about football. He needs to take it to some other forum where people care what he thinks.