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Post by pedant on Jan 6, 2020 11:03:14 GMT
Trouble is there,s always an element of harm to other people at almost everything that goes on at a football match. Where theres a surge forward at a goal someone might get hurt etc etc the problem is security at the club cannot be bothered to stop an search everyone for fear of causing massive delays,an people are scared of taking responsability in case there is trouble. I dont think it is possible to stop any one bringing flares smoke bombs or any other device they want into the ground. Maybe if the penalties were higher it may act as a deterrent but for an away fan to be banned from our ground for life is hardly scary is it. Where there's a will there's a way. At Leeds there is a 100% bag check (so most people including ladies don't bring one and club shop bags are see through) and there are no delays. I've no experience of the 'Away' turnstiles but there appears to be a 100% bag check at the 'Home' end at the Gallagher.
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Post by jdl on Jan 6, 2020 13:00:41 GMT
Where there's a will there's a way. At Leeds there is a 100% bag check (so most people including ladies don't bring one and club shop bags are see through) and there are no delays. I've no experience of the 'Away' turnstiles but there appears to be a 100% bag check at the 'Home' end at the Gallagher. It's very hit and miss. I've brought bags in several times, with all manner of stuff in them (shopping, Christmas presents, food...) without ever being checked once. My daughter's bag, however, is checked most times, but never very seriously. At the other extreme, I was once told I couldn't take a bottle of Coke in with me. I don't know what our away end is like, but at away games it's completely random. Most smaller clubs don't check at all, some of the bigger clubs go a bit OTT (Barnet is the worst example I've come across - more like an airport secuurity check!). Generally speaking, though, it would be very easy to take a flare into most grounds - even where there's good bag checks, they rarely, if ever, do a body check. Although, possibly, if I looked more like a leary yoof, and less like a harmless OAP, I might have had different experiences...
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Post by sword65 on Jan 6, 2020 13:11:38 GMT
I've no experience of the 'Away' turnstiles but there appears to be a 100% bag check at the 'Home' end at the Gallagher. It's very hit and miss. I've brought bags in several times, with all manner of stuff in them (shopping, Christmas presents, food...) without ever being checked once. My daughter's bag, however, is checked most times, but never very seriously. At the other extreme, I was once told I couldn't take a bottle of Coke in with me. I don't know what our away end is like, but at away games it's completely random. Most smaller clubs don't check at all, some of the bigger clubs go a bit OTT (Barnet is the worst example I've come across - more like an airport secuurity check!). Generally speaking, though, it would be very easy to take a flare into most grounds - even where there's good bag checks, they rarely, if ever, do a body check. Although, possibly, if I looked more like a leary yoof, and less like a harmless OAP, I might have had different experiences... There is one sure fire way to prevent flares from being thrown by away fans,you make it clear that if a flare or smoke bomb is hurled onto the pitch that the game would be stopped and not restarted until all away fans have been removed from the ground be there 2 or 500. I think the very fact that 499 of your own fans wanting to kill you would put 99.99% of people off doing something so rash. Should the projectile come from a home fan his punishment should be a lifetime ban or forced to watch every Kent senior cup game for the rest of his life which ever is deemed to be worse.
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Post by Bernie on Jan 6, 2020 13:28:20 GMT
Think the offender was in the back row of the away terrace. Putting a police officer (and a steward) at the top of both sets of stairs would have been a deterrent. Better than having a big group of them on the exit stairs doing nothing. After all, we pay for them.
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Post by jdl on Jan 6, 2020 21:55:31 GMT
Think the offender was in the back row of the away terrace. Putting a police officer (and a steward) at the top of both sets of stairs would have been a deterrent. Better than having a big group of them on the exit stairs doing nothing. After all, we pay for them. If he can throw that far, sign him up!
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Post by jdh80 on Jan 8, 2020 9:05:50 GMT
I've no experience of the 'Away' turnstiles but there appears to be a 100% bag check at the 'Home' end at the Gallagher. It's very hit and miss. I've brought bags in several times, with all manner of stuff in them (shopping, Christmas presents, food...) without ever being checked once. My daughter's bag, however, is checked most times, but never very seriously. At the other extreme, I was once told I couldn't take a bottle of Coke in with me. I don't know what our away end is like, but at away games it's completely random. Most smaller clubs don't check at all, some of the bigger clubs go a bit OTT (Barnet is the worst example I've come across - more like an airport secuurity check!). Generally speaking, though, it would be very easy to take a flare into most grounds - even where there's good bag checks, they rarely, if ever, do a body check. Although, possibly, if I looked more like a leary yoof, and less like a harmless OAP, I might have had different experiences... Of course you can't take a bottle of coke in you druggie... Most clubs at higher levels ban taking in bottles etc, some make you remove the lid, think mostly it is to make you spend money in the ground. My dad recently had his umbrella taken away as it was perceived to be a dangerous object at a premier league ground, the reason he had the brolly was it was pissing down and the ground was a fair walk from the train station, we didn't need it inside the ground as we were undercover, thankfully it wasn't raining at the end of the game with the 25 minute walk to the train station. I've been to some grounds and walked through the airport style detector and then been patted down by security, i know i look dodgy but thought it was overkill.
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Post by jdh80 on Jan 8, 2020 9:13:00 GMT
It's very hit and miss. I've brought bags in several times, with all manner of stuff in them (shopping, Christmas presents, food...) without ever being checked once. My daughter's bag, however, is checked most times, but never very seriously. At the other extreme, I was once told I couldn't take a bottle of Coke in with me. I don't know what our away end is like, but at away games it's completely random. Most smaller clubs don't check at all, some of the bigger clubs go a bit OTT (Barnet is the worst example I've come across - more like an airport secuurity check!). Generally speaking, though, it would be very easy to take a flare into most grounds - even where there's good bag checks, they rarely, if ever, do a body check. Although, possibly, if I looked more like a leary yoof, and less like a harmless OAP, I might have had different experiences... There is one sure fire way to prevent flares from being thrown by away fans,you make it clear that if a flare or smoke bomb is hurled onto the pitch that the game would be stopped and not restarted until all away fans have been removed from the ground be there 2 or 500. I think the very fact that 499 of your own fans wanting to kill you would put 99.99% of people off doing something so rash. Should the projectile come from a home fan his punishment should be a lifetime ban or forced to watch every Kent senior cup game for the rest of his life which ever is deemed to be worse. Can't chuck all away fans out for the sake of one being a complete helmet. I agree they should stop the game and the game won't restart until the culprit found and escorted out with a lifetime banning order from all of football, if no culprit identified then remove all away fans, maybe a time limit of 5 minutes, need to give the other fans time to turn on them.
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Post by jdh80 on Jan 8, 2020 9:14:30 GMT
Think the offender was in the back row of the away terrace. Putting a police officer (and a steward) at the top of both sets of stairs would have been a deterrent. Better than having a big group of them on the exit stairs doing nothing. After all, we pay for them. If he can throw that far, sign him up! Get him on the cricket team at the boundary ropes..
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Post by sword65 on Jan 8, 2020 9:56:46 GMT
There is one sure fire way to prevent flares from being thrown by away fans,you make it clear that if a flare or smoke bomb is hurled onto the pitch that the game would be stopped and not restarted until all away fans have been removed from the ground be there 2 or 500. I think the very fact that 499 of your own fans wanting to kill you would put 99.99% of people off doing something so rash. Should the projectile come from a home fan his punishment should be a lifetime ban or forced to watch every Kent senior cup game for the rest of his life which ever is deemed to be worse. Can't chuck all away fans out for the sake of one being a complete helmet. I agree they should stop the game and the game won't restart until the culprit found and escorted out with a lifetime banning order from all of football, if no culprit identified then remove all away fans, maybe a time limit of 5 minutes, need to give the other fans time to turn on them. The point is that just throwing the culprit out is no deterrent therefore it will not solve the problem, if the threat is there to remove the whole of the away fans there is sufficient deterrent to stop the problem unless of course it's a complete psycho who wants to die
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Post by daveu on Jan 8, 2020 10:41:39 GMT
You sure you're not a fascist? Punishing a whole community for the crimes of one person seems pretty extreme to me.
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Post by headstone on Jan 8, 2020 10:54:13 GMT
[quote author=" jdl. "It's very hit and miss. I've brought bags in several times, with all manner of stuff in them (shopping, Christmas presents, food...) without ever being checked once. My daughter's bag, however, is checked most times, but never very seriously. At the other extreme, I was once told I couldn't take a bottle of Coke in with me.[/quote] I was at the Charlton v Sunderland Wembley play-off in 1998. I'd brought a picnic lunch to be enjoyed with a 25cl bottle of a nice Merlot. That should have established my bona fides with the steward, but he must have been a lager drinker, because he said "You can't bring that in here...Sir". So I was forced to guzzle the whole mini-bottle outside, which is not the best way to enjoy fine wine, and took the edge off the pate de foie gras (or similar) I'd been looking forward to eating inside. First world problems, though.
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Post by daveu on Jan 8, 2020 11:54:52 GMT
[quote author=" jdl. "It's very hit and miss. I've brought bags in several times, with all manner of stuff in them (shopping, Christmas presents, food...) without ever being checked once. My daughter's bag, however, is checked most times, but never very seriously. At the other extreme, I was once told I couldn't take a bottle of Coke in with me. I was at the Charlton v Sunderland Wembley play-off in 1998. I'd brought a picnic lunch to be enjoyed with a 25cl bottle of a nice Merlot. That should have established my bona fides with the steward, but he must have been a lager drinker, because he said "You can't bring that in here...Sir". So I was forced to guzzle the whole mini-bottle outside, which is not the best way to enjoy fine wine, and took the edge off the pate de foie gras (or similar) I'd been looking forward to eating inside. First world problems, though.[/quote] I don't think you can take your own food or drink into Wembley anymore as they want to force you into the overpriced rubbish they sell in the stadium. I think it was £10 for an overdone hot dog and a pint of carbonated urine last time I went.
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Post by sword65 on Jan 8, 2020 12:44:09 GMT
You sure you're not a fascist? Punishing a whole community for the crimes of one person seems pretty extreme to me. The general idea is not to punish anybody as the possible punishment should make them behave themselves in the first place.
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Post by jdl on Jan 8, 2020 13:34:53 GMT
They used to let you in to UP with a bottle of Coke, as long as you took the top off and threw it away (less easy to throw the bottle with the top off?). So I just used to carry a spare bottle top. Can't have been the only on to have thought of that...
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Post by rollingstone on Jan 26, 2020 16:57:24 GMT
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