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Post by HartleyHare on Sept 16, 2019 17:24:50 GMT
Totally agree. For the games I managed to see last season he demonstrated that he had what I can only describe as a 'football brain'. As I have said in a previous post during the summer I would have made him captain also. For f sake guys, we offered Phillips a contract at the end of last season and he turned it down as he wanted to play at a higher level i.e. He didn't want to play for us. The newspaper paper article where he said he would take a pay cut came very late in the summer after he realised he wasn't going to get picked up by any national league team and was more out of desperation to get signed up then any loyalty to the club. I get where you’re coming from JDH and yes perhaps I shouldn’t have even mentioned it (?) but as it’s a forum, I just thought well you know what, why not ?! Anyways, the facts as I see them are yes Philips wanted to go, to stay at National level. I think that’s fair enough, can’t fault him for that. Likewise so did Wish. The difference though, I think, is that Philips was out of contract and free to look elsewhere, Wish was under contract for another year so a fee is either payable by another club, or a mutual release between Wish and Stones. Nobody at NL level came in for either of them. We had to hold onto Wish therefore, or release him (but then he’d doubtless have expected us to pay up his remaining contract term). Philips then comes back and says he’d like to stay. Management said no because they had doubts about his commitment. Fair enough. But now the crunch. Is Philips REALLY any less committed than any other player at Maidstone ? Of course he’s not, his “crime” was wanting to stay at a higher level, that’s all. Take Wish as an example, he also said he’d prefer to stay at National level. Same reasons as per MP. So Wealdstone come in and sign MP as a free agent, they didn’t seem to have too many doubts about his commitment ? And without checking where MP was born, I doubt very much he ever had a boyhood dream to play for Wealdstone. So my point is, Wealdstone picked him up without any hesitation or reserve regarding his level of commitment, he’s doing very well there and exactly the sort of player we would benefit from. So so that’s all I’m saying. I’m not having a moan about anyone as everybody makes decisions in the best of faith and based on what they feel is best all round. End of.
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Post by jdh80 on Sept 17, 2019 12:22:12 GMT
For f sake guys, we offered Phillips a contract at the end of last season and he turned it down as he wanted to play at a higher level i.e. He didn't want to play for us. The newspaper paper article where he said he would take a pay cut came very late in the summer after he realised he wasn't going to get picked up by any national league team and was more out of desperation to get signed up then any loyalty to the club. I get where you’re coming from JDH and yes perhaps I shouldn’t have even mentioned it (?) but as it’s a forum, I just thought well you know what, why not ?! Anyways, the facts as I see them are yes Philips wanted to go, to stay at National level. I think that’s fair enough, can’t fault him for that. Likewise so did Wish. The difference though, I think, is that Philips was out of contract and free to look elsewhere, Wish was under contract for another year so a fee is either payable by another club, or a mutual release between Wish and Stones. Nobody at NL level came in for either of them. We had to hold onto Wish therefore, or release him (but then he’d doubtless have expected us to pay up his remaining contract term). Philips then comes back and says he’d like to stay. Management said no because they had doubts about his commitment. Fair enough. But now the crunch. Is Philips REALLY any less committed than any other player at Maidstone ? Of course he’s not, his “crime” was wanting to stay at a higher level, that’s all. Take Wish as an example, he also said he’d prefer to stay at National level. Same reasons as per MP. So Wealdstone come in and sign MP as a free agent, they didn’t seem to have too many doubts about his commitment ? And without checking where MP was born, I doubt very much he ever had a boyhood dream to play for Wealdstone. So my point is, Wealdstone picked him up without any hesitation or reserve regarding his level of commitment, he’s doing very well there and exactly the sort of player we would benefit from. So so that’s all I’m saying. I’m not having a moan about anyone as everybody makes decisions in the best of faith and based on what they feel is best all round. End of. Problem is as the budget for his initial offer would have been spent trying to bring in other players for that position when his desperate plea came we had already spent the budget we had and had nothing left. As you rightly say Wishart is similar but his wages were already going to be part of our budget for this season due to him being under contract. Still and hak couldn't just leave a chunk of their budget available in case Phillips changed his mind later on, they had to go out and try and piece together a team.
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Post by HartleyHare on Sept 17, 2019 14:10:50 GMT
I get where you’re coming from JDH and yes perhaps I shouldn’t have even mentioned it (?) but as it’s a forum, I just thought well you know what, why not ?! Anyways, the facts as I see them are yes Philips wanted to go, to stay at National level. I think that’s fair enough, can’t fault him for that. Likewise so did Wish. The difference though, I think, is that Philips was out of contract and free to look elsewhere, Wish was under contract for another year so a fee is either payable by another club, or a mutual release between Wish and Stones. Nobody at NL level came in for either of them. We had to hold onto Wish therefore, or release him (but then he’d doubtless have expected us to pay up his remaining contract term). Philips then comes back and says he’d like to stay. Management said no because they had doubts about his commitment. Fair enough. But now the crunch. Is Philips REALLY any less committed than any other player at Maidstone ? Of course he’s not, his “crime” was wanting to stay at a higher level, that’s all. Take Wish as an example, he also said he’d prefer to stay at National level. Same reasons as per MP. So Wealdstone come in and sign MP as a free agent, they didn’t seem to have too many doubts about his commitment ? And without checking where MP was born, I doubt very much he ever had a boyhood dream to play for Wealdstone. So my point is, Wealdstone picked him up without any hesitation or reserve regarding his level of commitment, he’s doing very well there and exactly the sort of player we would benefit from. So so that’s all I’m saying. I’m not having a moan about anyone as everybody makes decisions in the best of faith and based on what they feel is best all round. End of. Problem is as the budget for his initial offer would have been spent trying to bring in other players for that position when his desperate plea came we had already spent the budget we had and had nothing left. As you rightly say Wishart is similar but his wages were already going to be part of our budget for this season due to him being under contract. Still and hak couldn't just leave a chunk of their budget available in case Phillips changed his mind later on, they had to go out and try and piece together a team. Yep that’s all fair enough and totally understandable, I just thought that MP came back with his tail between his legs BEFORE we had committed to signing Khan. But I cinismo be wrong - whatever, it’s all history now anyway so no matter !
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Post by Nick on Sept 17, 2019 15:59:58 GMT
I had assumed that John and Hak had set there sights higher than Michael Phillips.
That worked out well !
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Post by Better things to do in life on Sept 18, 2019 11:52:01 GMT
I had assumed that John and Hak had set there sights higher than Michael Phillips. That worked out well ! Go on, Nick, start a "JS2 out" thread", come on, you know you want to...………………….
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Post by jakeyboi on Sept 18, 2019 12:40:29 GMT
I had assumed that John and Hak had set there sights higher than Michael Phillips. That worked out well ! So it's only September and your starting to complain about the quality of the new player's, give the guys a break Nick we have built a brand new squad in pre season an we are still mid table yet you still find something to moan about. Your unbelievable Nick.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Sept 18, 2019 15:04:18 GMT
I had assumed that John and Hak had set there sights higher than Michael Phillips. That worked out well ! So it's only September and your starting to complain about the quality of the new player's, give the guys a break Nick we have built a brand new squad in pre season an we are still mid table yet you still find something to moan about. Your unbelievable Nick. God help us if we lose to Cheshunt. Nick won’t want a panic button he’ll need a nuclear one!
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Post by Nick on Sept 19, 2019 19:52:00 GMT
Seems that my thinking aint so different from John Still's who is seriously unhappy with our performance at Dorking. I would have been worried if he had defended the team. He questions the consistency and quality of more than one of our players. The fact is it is impossible to recruit 100% successfully. This is not about panicky oldboy, when players don't perform to the levels expected you have to take action. It's about good management.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Sept 20, 2019 11:14:05 GMT
Seems that my thinking aint so different from John Still's who is seriously unhappy with our performance at Dorking. I would have been worried if he had defended the team. He questions the consistency and quality of more than one of our players. The fact is it is impossible to recruit 100% successfully. This is not about panicky oldboy, when players don't perform to the levels expected you have to take action. It's about good management. Agree with everything you say Nick, but you were getting panicky! Come on, I got that all summer for the slightest negative, so don't give it out if you cant take it back! Dorking was only one result in what will,for sure, be an up and down season, I think we have all accepted that. More ups than downs, and a shot at play offs in a league that not turning out to be as strong as we thought, with many other clubs also being a bit up and down. Personally I would love a good FA cup run as well, hopefully starting Saturday. COYS!
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