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Post by Better things to do in life on Aug 22, 2019 21:33:55 GMT
We need to know if long throws are worth the bother - how often do they result in goals? I suspect the answer is 'almost never', so coaches don't bother to develop players with long throw potential. If you've got one who's good at them anyway, like Flish, then fine, but otherwse there are other, more important things to work on. Mind you, if we didn't bother coaching for things that rarely produce goals, we wouldn't bother with corners or free-kicks either! Or maybe we don't... Almost never? Errrr Clunis for Dulwich this season? ?
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Post by Raymondo316 on Aug 22, 2019 22:12:50 GMT
We need to know if long throws are worth the bother - how often do they result in goals? I suspect the answer is 'almost never', so coaches don't bother to develop players with long throw potential. If you've got one who's good at them anyway, like Flish, then fine, but otherwse there are other, more important things to work on. Mind you, if we didn't bother coaching for things that rarely produce goals, we wouldn't bother with corners or free-kicks either! Or maybe we don't... Almost never? Errrr Clunis for Dulwich this season? ? So you have found one example. Last season I saw loads of teams use it against us & it rarely seemed to result in a goal. Chesterfield were the worst for it, I remember their game plan seemed to be just ''win'' throw ins & have their player (Sam Muggleton who I must say has the longest throw I've ever seen) launch his missile throw at their close to 7ft forward in the box. Why it did cause some problems our defence mostly dealt with them pretty easily.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 22, 2019 22:41:29 GMT
Thank goodness. We've never discussed this before.
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Post by porkystone on Aug 23, 2019 6:27:01 GMT
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Post by holysmokes66 on Aug 23, 2019 7:43:53 GMT
I genuinely can't believe that in a starting 11 of fit, athletic men, who are generally under 30, that there isn't one who can throw a ball that distance with a certain amount of oomph. I honestly think I could give it a damn good go and I am definitely not a fit, athletic man, under 30... I say that generally too, for most teams at our level or below, which to me questions the effectiveness of the tactic. You'd think, if it was a good tactic, a non-league managers first drill at a new club would be to see which of his players can lob a ball the furthest, as it is effectively a corner from further infield, but how often do you see it? I may be way off here, but it just seems it's completely out of favour and a rarely, if really ever, used tactic that you (me certainly) would assumed more than a very select amount of people can do effectively...? Wanding a free kick into the top corner is a freakish level of skill, but walloping a ball into the mix doesn't strike me as taking the same level of skill... Not been to the home games this season then?
Slough and one of the other two seemed to use a long throw extensively. Having said that Slough stopped sometime during the second half which made me wonder if their specialist had been substituted.
Obviously I wasn't paying proper attention, but at least I was there
Nope. I do watch a lot of non-league football however, and the fact Slough did it and barely anyone else does stands to point really. Slough scored their first goal of the season against us, so glad to see those long throws have been such a successful avenue for goals so far. Glad you were there to see. My point, however, was that you'd think it's an easily teachable, relatively common skill that managers would encourage more often if it were successful, which surely it isn't for most teams unless they have a 6ft 9" monster standing on the penalty spot. Your sample size of 'one game that you weren't at' isn't something I'm taking a lot of confidence in, especially from a team that don't score much...
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Post by jdl on Aug 23, 2019 7:47:07 GMT
The music of my youth! Still got Reggae Hits Vol 1 & 2 on Trojan - original LPs. Played to buggery though. Wonderful stuff.
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Post by porkystone on Aug 23, 2019 8:43:17 GMT
The music of my youth! Still got Reggae Hits Vol 1 & 2 on Trojan - original LPs. Played to buggery though. Wonderful stuff. Strongly suggest you follow @trojanrecords on the twitter. Some great nostalgia there, sadly many of the pioneers are passing, maybe pickled with weed + rum etc.....
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Post by pedant on Aug 23, 2019 14:46:45 GMT
Taking 'goals scored' as the only measure of the effectiveness of the long throw is missing other potential benefits.
Against Slough we appeared to counter their long throws by defending as if it was a corner. Currently that means everyone back in the box to defend conceding the rest of the pitch to the opposition.
Additionally a long throw ability puts doubt into defenders' minds as they try and avoid conceding throw ins in their own half. This doubt and the 'removal' of the easy boot in to touch can lead to mistakes and the increased potential of a goal scoring opportunity. Hard to quantify but still a benefit of having the ability within the team.
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Post by pedant on Aug 26, 2019 16:29:52 GMT
We need to know if long throws are worth the bother - how often do they result in goals? I suspect the answer is 'almost never', so coaches don't bother to develop players with long throw potential. If you've got one who's good at them anyway, like Flish, then fine, but otherwse there are other, more important things to work on. Mind you, if we didn't bother coaching for things that rarely produce goals, we wouldn't bother with corners or free-kicks either! Or maybe we don't... Some coaching on throws, long or otherwise, would be a bonus.
Hoyte either has no idea what to do with them or our other right-sided players don't give him the required options. But currently the time he takes for his throws are a booking just waiting to happen.
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