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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 9:17:33 GMT
With the time to gel things, how long do you wait? (Actual question) being as the starting team have now been together for 4 games if you include the final PSF. Personally I will be surprised if in a game or two we start seeing the goals flying in and the midfield having better shape, not because they’ve not gelled yet, but because maybe they aren’t good enough or at least the tactics aren’t. Probably a bit of both Er, given that Kamdjo was starting his first game of the season, and Pennell, Edwards, Allen and Amaluzor all started against Weymouth but not last night, your statement seems very flawed indeed.
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Post by hammerstone on Aug 14, 2019 9:23:47 GMT
With the time to gel things, how long do you wait? (Actual question) being as the starting team have now been together for 4 games if you include the final PSF. Personally I will be surprised if in a game or two we start seeing the goals flying in and the midfield having better shape, not because they’ve not gelled yet, but because maybe they aren’t good enough or at least the tactics aren’t. Probably a bit of both Er, given that Kamdjo was starting his first game of the season, and Pennell, Edwards, Allen and Amaluzor all started against Weymouth but not last night, your statement seems very flawed indeed. They have all featured together, clovis aside, who’s still had minutes regardless. The amount we train they really shouldn’t be strangers either
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Post by russc on Aug 14, 2019 9:57:25 GMT
We miss Amaluzor for sure, plus Edwards is crocked and we haven't seen Embury yet this season. That's a lot of our attack out of action
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Post by jdl on Aug 14, 2019 10:01:37 GMT
The problem with finding quality, creative midfielders and attackers is not new. We struggled last season as soon as we lost Turgott and the same applies to Piggott leaving too. We probably got lucky with both. Pigs had been in the doldrums, but starting again at the Gallagher revitalised his career. Blair had a court case hanging over him, but we took a risk and it paid off. However, for every success, there have probably been three or four failures. The solution can be money, but decent, ambitious players are not going to want to play in the NLS - at least for long. Hence the high turnover for most sides at this level. The owners are between a rock and a hard place in that they can just about afford to maintain our current status, but are being sensible in not wanting to risk any more without getting someone else to share the burden. Instead JS and HH are punting on young talent, which with a bit of experience, might just pay off. Amaluzor is key as he is our flair player, like Turgott last year. If Embrey comes back strongly, then together, the two of them are capable of causing the problems we were missing last night. Amaluzor has strength, pace and skill. Embrey certainly has pace, with the confidence to got at defenders. With both in the side, they will of course attract attention, but that then creates space for others to exploit. The likes of Corne, Kyei, Wishart, etc could well prosper then, instead of being stifled as last night. One surging run down the left wing, leading to a shot off the post, plus a lot of long throws, was all Eastbourne had to offer, so with hindsight, 0-0 was very much on the cards from the start. If only we could have sneaked a goal in the first ten minutes... So, how long do we wait? Until our two flair players are back is one answer. We don't look like we are going to concede many goals, so that is already a huge improvement on last season. Another chance v Slough on Saturday, so let's hope that is the game where home fans at last go home happy. It's been a while... "We don't look like we are going to concede many goals, so that is already a huge improvement on last season." What short memories some on here have. Had one of last season's managers been able to achieve just this alone they would have been hailed a success, and we probably wouldn't be where we are now. We had a nightmare season, we sacked our best ever manager, we wallowed about, idea-less for months, we let a clown dismantle our team, sell our best players to the opposition, and waste thousands in the process. And at the end of all that, we were humiliated, relegated and totally fucked. For all it's problems, this season is a vast improvement on that, and shows every sign of being a great deal better. And yet some on here, who should know a great deal better, expect us to hit the ground running with a championship side, and moan when 'all' we achieve is a point and a clean sheet (how many of them last season?). If you're never going to be happy with the reality of NS football on a realistic budget, there's always the plastics' option of Man City on the TV.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 14, 2019 10:09:52 GMT
Yeah. If we don't beat Slough, I'm off to find a Premier League team to support on telly.
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Post by jdl on Aug 14, 2019 10:37:46 GMT
Yeah. If we don't beat Slough, I'm off to find a Premier League team to support on telly. Interesting to consider the fate of Man City. Not that long ago they were the third division side who stopped Gillinham getting promoted. The difference between then and now? Billions of oil dollars. That's what's happened to football since we were last in the FL. Personally, I'd rather be at JWW watching non-league football any day.
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Post by pedant on Aug 14, 2019 10:40:55 GMT
We miss Amaluzor for sure, plus Edwards is crocked and we haven't seen Embury yet this season. That's a lot of our attack out of action So, reinforcing this comment: we've been told, and mostly been accepted, that we've a 'not large' playing budget; this budget restricts our signing options; records show, and this forum has 'debated', that none of our signings have a significant history of scoring goals at this level; and the three players probably seen, at least by the management team, as the most likely goal threat were all missing last night through injury.
So why is anyone surprised that we didn't exactly bombard Eastbourne's goal last night?
Hungerford's result may have slightly flattered us because they weren't very good. As someone else has already said Eastbourne were better organised and more solid and thus better than Hungerford in that respect. Cole had far more to do on Saturday than last night though.
Three strikers out injured from a small squad and yet we're on a two match unbeaten run. What's not to like?
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Post by jdl on Aug 14, 2019 10:53:13 GMT
Another key quote from Mr 6's excellent post earlier:
"The problem with finding quality, creative midfielders and attackers is not new. We struggled last season as soon as we lost Turgott and the same applies to Piggott leaving too. We probably got lucky with both. Pigs had been in the doldrums, but starting again at the Gallagher revitalised his career. Blair had a court case hanging over him, but we took a risk and it paid off. However, for every success, there have probably been three or four failures."
This illustrates our situation precisely - the only way we could do well in the NL was to have strikers we were lucky to have and couldn't afford to keep (even assuming they'd wanted to stay). Without a NL-sized budget (ie a sugar daddy or an ex-EFL income) we were entirely dependent on a manager who could find out-of-favour League-standard players often enough to keep us there. And, not surprisingly, he couldn't always do this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 10:53:52 GMT
We miss Amaluzor for sure, plus Edwards is crocked and we haven't seen Embury yet this season. That's a lot of our attack out of action So, reinforcing this comment: we've been told, and mostly been accepted, that we've a 'not large' playing budget; this budget restricts our signing options; records show, and this forum has 'debated', that none of our signings have a significant history of scoring goals at this level; and the three players probably seen, at least by the management team, as the most likely goal threat were all missing last night through injury.
So why is anyone surprised that we didn't exactly bombard Eastbourne's goal last night?
Hungerford's result may have slightly flattered us because they weren't very good. As someone else has already said Eastbourne were better organised and more solid and thus better than Hungerford in that respect. Cole had far more to do on Saturday than last night though.
Three strikers out injured from a small squad and yet we're on a two match unbeaten run. What's not to like?
Sshh! You'll only annoy Hammerstone when he gets off the phone to the Samaritans
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Post by jdl on Aug 14, 2019 11:00:28 GMT
We miss Amaluzor for sure, plus Edwards is crocked and we haven't seen Embury yet this season. That's a lot of our attack out of action So, reinforcing this comment: we've been told, and mostly been accepted, that we've a 'not large' playing budget; this budget restricts our signing options; records show, and this forum has 'debated', that none of our signings have a significant history of scoring goals at this level; and the three players probably seen, at least by the management team, as the most likely goal threat were all missing last night through injury.
So why is anyone surprised that we didn't exactly bombard Eastbourne's goal last night?
Hungerford's result may have slightly flattered us because they weren't very good. As someone else has already said Eastbourne were better organised and more solid and thus better than Hungerford in that respect. Cole had far more to do on Saturday than last night though.
Three strikers out injured from a small squad and yet we're on a two match unbeaten run. What's not to like?
You can bet your proverbial bottom dollar that all the 'big' sides in the NS are keeping a wary eye on us, and are far more worried about our recent improvement in form that some of our fans are 'happy' about it. To them, the existance of Maidstone Uunited in their league, especially with JS in charge is probably their no 1 concern this season.
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Post by Nick on Aug 14, 2019 11:05:13 GMT
Oh dear, what can be happening? We are beginning to read some realistic and sensible posts on this thread. I guess it will soon change. Not enough creativity in midfield, not enough goals. Into the abyss everyone ! Surely oldboy is ready to hit the panic button.
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Post by hammerstone on Aug 14, 2019 12:04:23 GMT
So, reinforcing this comment: we've been told, and mostly been accepted, that we've a 'not large' playing budget; this budget restricts our signing options; records show, and this forum has 'debated', that none of our signings have a significant history of scoring goals at this level; and the three players probably seen, at least by the management team, as the most likely goal threat were all missing last night through injury.
So why is anyone surprised that we didn't exactly bombard Eastbourne's goal last night?
Hungerford's result may have slightly flattered us because they weren't very good. As someone else has already said Eastbourne were better organised and more solid and thus better than Hungerford in that respect. Cole had far more to do on Saturday than last night though.
Three strikers out injured from a small squad and yet we're on a two match unbeaten run. What's not to like?
Sshh! You'll only annoy Hammerstone when he gets off the phone to the Samaritans uploadI’m merely taking inspiration from your words fella!
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Post by Better things to do in life on Aug 14, 2019 12:07:49 GMT
Oh dear, what can be happening? We are beginning to read some realistic and sensible posts on this thread. I guess it will soon change. Not enough creativity in midfield, not enough goals. Into the abyss everyone ! Surely oldboy is ready to hit the panic button. I haven't got the panic button any more Nick - you must have it as you keep going on about it! Battling performance last night which was encouraging. Get Justin, Jonny and Jake back and the goals will come. We have four points from August so far. Three against Slough would be very very good. We may not be title contenders, but we wont go down, and may threaten to sneak into play offs from a strong mid-table position. Clovis still needs to impress, but Corne is growing on me. Hoyte is a bit hit and miss, but not bad. Johnson may be a hoofer rather than a ball to the feet man but had a great game last night and he can sprint! George, as ever an inspiration and Chesmain, whilst not great, was better than Pennell! Cole was superb, as ever. He may even be better than Worgs. Wishart was too quiet and didn't play like he did against Welling and Hungerford, so needs to get back to that kind of performance. So, yes, midfield needs to do better but we have a team that battles and competes and so the 0-0 in NLS last night was more enjoyable than the passionless NL dross over the past two years. Once you have accepted we are currently at the same level as an Eastbourne Borough, and get over it, you can start to enjoy the football. Panic, what panic?
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Post by daveu on Aug 14, 2019 12:49:58 GMT
Oh dear, what can be happening? We are beginning to read some realistic and sensible posts on this thread. I guess it will soon change. Not enough creativity in midfield, not enough goals. Into the abyss everyone ! Surely oldboy is ready to hit the panic button. I haven't got the panic button any more Nick - you must have it as you keep going on about it! Battling performance last night which was encouraging. Get Justin, Jonny and Jake back and the goals will come. We have four points from August so far. Three against Slough would be very very good. We may not be title contenders, but we wont go down, and may threaten to sneak into play offs from a strong mid-table position. Clovis still needs to impress, but Corne is growing on me. Hoyte is a bit hit and miss, but not bad. Johnson may be a hoofer rather than a ball to the feet man but had a great game last night and he can sprint! George, as ever an inspiration and Chesmain, whilst not great, was better than Pennell! Cole was superb, as ever. He may even be better than Worgs. Wishart was too quiet and didn't play like he did against Welling and Hungerford, so needs to get back to that kind of performance. So, yes, midfield needs to do better but we have a team that battles and competes and so the 0-0 in NLS last night was more enjoyable than the passionless NL dross over the past two years. Once you have accepted we are currently at the same level as an Eastbourne Borough, and get over it, you can start to enjoy the football. Panic, what panic? I think we have a few players who are just a little off the pace at the moment, having come from a lower level, but will improve given time. Johnson is already looking a great signing in my opinion and put in a MOTM performance last night. Corne is coming along nicely and I'm sure Clovis will come good given time. He looked a lot better in that holding role than he did in defence in pre-season, looked a bit rusty last night but nothing that can't be ironed out with a few more games.
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Post by jdl on Aug 14, 2019 13:16:42 GMT
Sshh! You'll only annoy Hammerstone when he gets off the phone to the Samaritans uploadI’m merely taking inspiration from your words fella! Is that you, nws?
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