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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 1, 2019 15:38:24 GMT
Good morning, lovely day. Why do you say that - are you suggesting that I don't think it's a good morning, or a lovely day? No, no, why should I think that? I was just saying good morning. So you say, but we all know you're just trying to stir things up. You and all these other so-called supporters, trying to imply that it's the club's fault that it's a lovely day! Seriously? I was just greeting you. It IS a lovely day. There you go again, always on about how lovely the day is and how good the morning is - as if it was just one of those things people say. We all know you've got an agenda with the club and this crazy idea that they somehow have something to do with the weather. OK, OK, I've no idea what you're on about, but I'm off now, gave a good day. Good day?? There you go again, implying that the club has something to do with how good a day it is. You think you can hoodwink me with your deliberately annodyn language, but I know what's going on. You and certain other 'supporters' will use anything as a stick to beat the club with! Dave just chill, no one's having a go at the club Chill?! Chill?! I suppose you're saying that the club is responsible for how chilled I am now? Any excuse to have a go at the club! No one's having a go at the club? Of course not. I get that you are in no way implying that Bill and Terry are being economical with the truth. It's perfectly reasonable to not believe what they say while at the same time believing they are as honest as the day is long. And of course, in your first post you didn't in any way shape or form dig out the old chestnut about the main stand while completely ignoring the fact that when attendances are low it's reflected in all areas of the ground. Oh no no no, of course not. Everything you post is completely supportive of all aspect of the club and supporters. I bow to your undeniable superiority in all things, and never again will I seek to hold an opinion that in any way differs to yours. Calm down Dave stop panicking take a chill pill and stop being a record stuck in a groove for heavens sake 😊 |
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 1, 2019 15:38:34 GMT
Good morning, lovely day. Why do you say that - are you suggesting that I don't think it's a good morning, or a lovely day? No, no, why should I think that? I was just saying good morning. So you say, but we all know you're just trying to stir things up. You and all these other so-called supporters, trying to imply that it's the club's fault that it's a lovely day! Seriously? I was just greeting you. It IS a lovely day. There you go again, always on about how lovely the day is and how good the morning is - as if it was just one of those things people say. We all know you've got an agenda with the club and this crazy idea that they somehow have something to do with the weather. OK, OK, I've no idea what you're on about, but I'm off now, gave a good day. Good day?? There you go again, implying that the club has something to do with how good a day it is. You think you can hoodwink me with your deliberately annodyn language, but I know what's going on. You and certain other 'supporters' will use anything as a stick to beat the club with! Dave just chill, no one's having a go at the club Chill?! Chill?! I suppose you're saying that the club is responsible for how chilled I am now? Any excuse to have a go at the club! No one's having a go at the club? Of course not. I get that you are in no way implying that Bill and Terry are being economical with the truth. It's perfectly reasonable to not believe what they say while at the same time believing they are as honest as the day is long. And of course, in your first post you didn't in any way shape or form dig out the old chestnut about the main stand while completely ignoring the fact that when attendances are low it's reflected in all areas of the ground. Oh no no no, of course not. Everything you post is completely supportive of all aspect of the club and supporters. I bow to your undeniable superiority in all things, and never again will I seek to hold an opinion that in any way differs to yours. Calm down Dave stop panicking take a chill pill and stop being a record stuck in a groove for heavens sake 😊 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 15:50:34 GMT
Did you mean to repeat your post like a stuck tecord
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 15:50:51 GMT
Record even
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jul 1, 2019 15:54:54 GMT
No on a train and the signals bad. No on a train and the signals bad |
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Post by jdh80 on Jul 1, 2019 21:21:31 GMT
I think a post by sword towards the back end of last season will help with some of this arguing over our attendances, sword mentioned that there were loads of people in the area behind the town end drinking and also loads of people in the bar. If these people were out in the stands the stands would look fuller.
There has also been mention of empty seats, yeah sometimes the season ticket holder will fancy a change of view if the game and go and stand in another place hence there will bw empty seats in the main stand.
I can't see the club doing anything untoward, they don't benefit from lying about the attendance the opposite.
Fwiw i do see daveu opinion of something that some fans use any excuse to swing a stick at the club but i don't see why some of our fans are constantly doing this, it helps no one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 6:03:43 GMT
I don't understand, beyond till receipts, why fans are being encouraged to spend the game in the bar. I know last season was dire, but let's get behind the team. If I wanted to spend the game drinking beer, I'd save £15 and go to the pub.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 7:46:52 GMT
At the arse end of last season, there was now way numbers in the ground matched the actual attendance. From both the Riverside and Town end, it was easily possible to do a rough count of how many was there - and at the time, it was something to do, given the football was so dire. It isn't hard to count 1500 or less.
When there are over 2000 in the ground, the Elvis End always looks fairly full, there are few empty seats in the main stand, the Town End looks busy and the sides of the ground are two or three deep along their full length. None of these things were so in the last few matches, yet gates remained close to 2000.
However, if it suits the club to always count season ticket holders regardless of whether they attend or not, so be it. Nevertheless, without good home form next season, gates will struggle, especially if the football is poor. On the other hand, a bright start to the season should see the Gallagher well filled. Let's hope so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 8:54:39 GMT
We also need a good start to the season to encourage people to visit the MUFC exhibition at Maidstone Museum, which opens in September.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 9:20:42 GMT
Do we count the rugrats who get in free in the attendance if yes then how does that work for tax purposes? You could save a fortune by saying that 300 paying adults were in fact kiddywinks and get away with £4500 per game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 9:37:42 GMT
OK. Just to clear this up once and for all. I just spoke to Bill on another matter and he has confirmed that the club do in fact count non attending season ticket holders and always have done. There are several reason for this:
A. Our turnstiles while they do have a clicker aren't automatically linked to a counting system
B. When working out catering, required police, stewarding etc they have to assume that everyone who has a ticket will attend.
C. It's a lot easier especially when people expect to know the attendance by half time.
D. Not as important but virtually all clubs do it.
So I apologise for my intransigence on the subject and fully admit to being wrong, although only repeating in good faith what I was told (although evidently not by Bill as I originally thought). I still don't see why people get so annoyed by it though, it's not as if the club is committing some kind of fraud or artificially inflating attendances for some dishonest reason, it's simply for operational reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 9:59:48 GMT
OK. Just to clear this up once and for all. I just spoke to Bill on another matter and he has confirmed that the club do in fact count non attending season ticket holders and always have done. There are several reason for this: A. Our turnstiles while they do have a clicker aren't automatically linked to a counting system B. When working out catering, required police, stewarding etc they have to assume that everyone who has a ticket will attend. C. It's a lot easier especially when people expect to know the attendance by half time. D. Not as important but virtually all clubs do it. So I apologise for my intransigence on the subject and fully admit to being wrong, although only repeating in good faith what I was told (although evidently not by Bill as I originally thought). I still don't see why people get so annoyed by it though, it's not as if the club is committing some kind of fraud or artificially inflating attendances for some dishonest reason, it's simply for operational reasons. It was a common issue in the prem a few years ago: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878 I also remember being at Welling a few years ago and Grimsby had bought more fans than the whole of the home crowd, all in all an attendance of probably about 1400. The announcer said the attendance was "1800 with just under 200 travelling Grimsby fans". This was met with open laughter because they'd come in their droves, probably 600 or so. Never knew why this was all so off or what the point of it was but the Wings fans seemed resigned to the fact it happened a lot, week in week out. Odd. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 12:13:20 GMT
If you go to Seaham Red Star in the Northern League they will tell you the attendance 4 hours her for kick off and give you the name and address of all 5 of them and how they they take their tea and coffee. When i turned up i expected the attendance to go up to 6 but tben they said if you have come 320 miles yo watch this rubbish we wouldn't dare charge you to get in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 15:46:05 GMT
OK. Just to clear this up once and for all. I just spoke to Bill on another matter and he has confirmed that the club do in fact count non attending season ticket holders and always have done. There are several reason for this: A. Our turnstiles while they do have a clicker aren't automatically linked to a counting system B. When working out catering, required police, stewarding etc they have to assume that everyone who has a ticket will attend. C. It's a lot easier especially when people expect to know the attendance by half time. D. Not as important but virtually all clubs do it. So I apologise for my intransigence on the subject and fully admit to being wrong, although only repeating in good faith what I was told (although evidently not by Bill as I originally thought). I still don't see why people get so annoyed by it though, it's not as if the club is committing some kind of fraud or artificially inflating attendances for some dishonest reason, it's simply for operational reasons. Daveu you are quite a 'remarkable' person. So many supporters including myself had long come to the conclusion that the club must be counting non attending STH's simply by applying the evidence of our eyes. This was never a criticism of the club, just an observation, but for some reason you went nuts whenever we declared this view. You always vehemently declared that we were somehow undermining the club and questioning the integrity of the owners. You repeatedly asserted that we were totally wrong as a matter of fact and you always had it 'on good authority' that non attending STH's were excluded from the official attendance. Nobody was trying to have a go at the club and it is you more than anybody that has added fuel to the fire by maintaining that you were supporting the club's position. But you weren't correct were you ? You were not supporting the club's official policy. All the time you have been wrong on this subject. Surly you must be feeling just a shade embarrassed now the truth is out ? Anyway, hats off for the apology and finally putting this crucial issue to bed. |
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Post by gromley on Jul 2, 2019 15:51:46 GMT
OK. Just to clear this up once and for all. I just spoke to Bill on another matter and he has confirmed that the club do in fact count non attending season ticket holders and always have done. There are several reason for this: A. Our turnstiles while they do have a clicker aren't automatically linked to a counting system B. When working out catering, required police, stewarding etc they have to assume that everyone who has a ticket will attend. C. It's a lot easier especially when people expect to know the attendance by half time. D. Not as important but virtually all clubs do it. So I apologise for my intransigence on the subject and fully admit to being wrong, although only repeating in good faith what I was told (although evidently not by Bill as I originally thought). I still don't see why people get so annoyed by it though, it's not as if the club is committing some kind of fraud or artificially inflating attendances for some dishonest reason, it's simply for operational reasons. Chapeau Dave for clearing this up.
Agree with your point that although imperfect it's a long way away from being fraud. Not sure it's really "operational" though - it would hardly be rocket science to solve this (although anyone turning up after half time would be missed).
I think point D. "virtually all clubs do it" is actually important - why would any club want to appear tinpot by "under-reporting" attendance - relative to the measures everyone else uses.
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