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Post by shamstone on Nov 8, 2019 10:45:01 GMT
If he didn't realise this is already a very dirty campaign, he should by now. Tories from privileged backgrounds need to keep a rein on their tongues, when 'one nation' conservatism slogans are the norm, just as Labour will be pounced on at the merest whiff of anti-Semitism, or being profligate with borrowing. And quite right too. If these people want our votes, they need to come across as honest, or at least trustworthy. An election campaign is a five week job interview, or should be. 'Getting Brexit Done' should not be a soundbite to win an election, even though for too many voters that is all they want to hear. Pay attention out there and try to make an informed decision about who to vote for. They only worry every 5 years for a job. They don’t give a shit once their elected. Keep their nose clean when their in. Cushy little number for 20 plus years. Maybe get a ministerial job. Living in their little bubble thinking up ways to fcuk it up for the rest of us. I won’t be voting this time as it only encourages them. Shower of bastards. All parties
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Post by davec on Nov 8, 2019 11:36:29 GMT
Ignoring emergency service advice was, quote ‘the common sense thing to do’ - anyone who kept to the advice therefore didn’t have common sense. in his opinion, he didn't say those that adhered to the instruction were stupid or anything else, by the way I'm not a JRM fan I'm just fed up with how news can be distorted to suit a perceived point of view, what happened at Grenfell was a tragedy and hopefully it will never happen again, I am also annoyed that the enquiry concentrated on the emergency services first, it should have been the local council, the company who installed the cladding and also whoever signed it off as safe I agree that the enquiry should focus on the cladding and i believe that will come up in the second phase. Speaking as someone that works in Construction what usually happens is the Main Contractors tender for the project and go out to subcontractors for all trades. They then take the lowest prices and add minimal profit to their tender. The lowest price contractor then usually wins the contract They then go and beat up the subbies to maximise the profits and the phrase value engineering comes into play which means its over budget lets do it cheaper. Somebody somewhere approved the cladding even though hindsight suggests it wasn't appropriate. I am afraid it is a race to the bottom
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Post by toonarmy on Nov 8, 2019 19:10:44 GMT
So when JRM states that he would have used his common sense in vacating Grenfell Tower despite contrary advice from the emergency services, it is deemed by his supporters that the words used are unfortunate or clumsy. What does it take for some people to smell the coffee ? The man is a buffoon. It is hard to imagine anybody less qualified to speak about the disaster. Rees-Moogg's privileged, over indulgent background and life style bears no relationship to the real lives of working people. His belief that applying common sense would have averted the tragedy of GT says everything about the man. But there are plenty of people around who will carry on doffing their caps and worshipping this vacuous excuse for a human being. so let me get this straight if any politician and in this instance JRM gets asked a question he is deemed to know nothing about are you saying that he should say I'm afraid I can't answer that question as I am uber rich and never lived in a tower block, how ridiculous, its like asking Jeremy Corbyn what was it like to live in a council estate and attend a normal comprehensive, he would have no idea I am by no way a fan of JRM but this moral outrage is appalling however I realise we live in the snowflake generation, where every one is offended by everything
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Post by nws on Nov 9, 2019 12:48:03 GMT
Who oldboy or Cromwell. Only kidding Cromwell. I mean oldboy No that’s NWS. Only he has he ability to turn banter into essays and try to spoil other light hearted threads. It only becomes banter when you realise your 'informed' post is, uninformed. (I hope that reply was short enough for your stretched mind)
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Post by nws on Nov 9, 2019 13:02:16 GMT
I think if you listen to the interview he clearly states that he would have ignored the fire brigade and left, he didn’t say anything about those that remained in the building or questioned why they remained, but I suppose it’s easy to hear what you want to hear I did listen to it. He said 'people like us would get out. It seems the common sense thing to do' The logical conclusion is that people who are not like him lack common sense and would not get out. Still, I guess you choose to omit facts and hear what you want to hear and fail to draw logical conclusions when you want to.
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Post by nws on Nov 9, 2019 13:10:40 GMT
So when JRM states that he would have used his common sense in vacating Grenfell Tower despite contrary advice from the emergency services, it is deemed by his supporters that the words used are unfortunate or clumsy. What does it take for some people to smell the coffee ? The man is a buffoon. It is hard to imagine anybody less qualified to speak about the disaster. Rees-Moogg's privileged, over indulgent background and life style bears no relationship to the real lives of working people. His belief that applying common sense would have averted the tragedy of GT says everything about the man. But there are plenty of people around who will carry on doffing their caps and worshipping this vacuous excuse for a human being. so let me get this straight if any politician and in this instance JRM gets asked a question he is deemed to know nothing about are you saying that he should say I'm afraid I can't answer that question as I am uber rich and never lived in a tower block, how ridiculous, its like asking Jeremy Corbyn what was it like to live in a council estate and attend a normal comprehensive, he would have no idea I am by no way a fan of JRM but this moral outrage is appalling however I realise we live in the snowflake generation, where every one is offended by everything He can fail to preface his answer with a declaration of lack of knowledge if he wants and he can say that people are not like him if he wants and he can insinuate they have no common sense if he wants. I'm suprised that you can't understand why this offends those of us that actually care about our fellow humans. I guess I'm not a greedy and self-centered and can actually feel empathy with victims families.
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Post by toonarmy on Nov 9, 2019 23:14:35 GMT
so let me get this straight if any politician and in this instance JRM gets asked a question he is deemed to know nothing about are you saying that he should say I'm afraid I can't answer that question as I am uber rich and never lived in a tower block, how ridiculous, its like asking Jeremy Corbyn what was it like to live in a council estate and attend a normal comprehensive, he would have no idea I am by no way a fan of JRM but this moral outrage is appalling however I realise we live in the snowflake generation, where every one is offended by everything He can fail to preface his answer with a declaration of lack of knowledge if he wants and he can say that people are not like him if he wants and he can insinuate they have no common sense if he wants. I'm suprised that you can't understand why this offends those of us that actually care about our fellow humans. I guess I'm not a greedy and self-centered and can actually feel empathy with victims families.
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Post by stewart on Nov 10, 2019 0:37:33 GMT
The grenfell firefighters should be commended for their bravery and commitment. They were placed in a possition by politicians that no training can accomodate. in question, why after a full refit and refurb eighteen months earlier were there no sprinkler system fitted?. the age of the structure is not a suitable answer
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Post by jdl on Nov 10, 2019 11:42:01 GMT
The grenfell firefighters should be commended for their bravery and commitment. They were placed in a possition by politicians that no training can accomodate. in question, why after a full refit and refurb eighteen months earlier were there no sprinkler system fitted?. the age of the structure is not a suitable answer Money? Council not giving a f**k?
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Post by nws on Nov 10, 2019 11:55:31 GMT
The grenfell firefighters should be commended for their bravery and commitment. They were placed in a possition by politicians that no training can accomodate. in question, why after a full refit and refurb eighteen months earlier were there no sprinkler system fitted?. the age of the structure is not a suitable answer Money? Council not giving a f**k? The Lakanal House inquest recommeded this. I'm sure I read that Grenfell residents had not wanted the sprinkler system. However, that may be wrong or I may have read propaganda
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Post by 61666 on Nov 11, 2019 13:07:40 GMT
So, Farage (rhymes with garage), is targeting Labour held and other Remainer seats. While the first impression is that it is just another case of being a political turncoat, a few seconds thought brings to mind they can neither afford to chase all 600+ seats and, even more likely, can't field enough candidates with even vaguely enough credibility. Suspect the Monster Raving Loony Party will do better than many of his half wit followers.
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Post by jdl on Nov 11, 2019 13:22:09 GMT
So, Farage (rhymes with garage), is targeting Labour held and other Remainer seats. While the first impression is that it is just another case of being a political turncoat, a few seconds thought brings to mind they can neither afford to chase all 600+ seats and, even more likely, can't field enough candidates with even vaguely enough credibility. Suspect the Monster Raving Loony Party will do better than many of his half wit followers. He's a spent force - just facing reality. Ta, ta, Farage, close the door on your way out.
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Post by nws on Nov 15, 2019 9:26:41 GMT
Anyone see Alexandra Philips banging on about how she likes openness and honesty on question time last night?
A two word answer Cambridge Analytica
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Post by shamstone on Nov 15, 2019 11:39:45 GMT
How many syllables
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Post by 61666 on Nov 16, 2019 6:52:39 GMT
Less than a week into the campaigns and already things are getting murky with Brexit party claims of the Tories offering bribes and peerages to step aside from contesting seats. In a way, it is laughable, as who in their right mind would want Farage in the House of Lords, but also shows how party machinery these days will stop at nothing to achieve their aims. Not saying other parties will not join in, but the Tories are already doing their best to keep the Russian interference report under wraps till after the election (which can only be because it has negative implications), adding to all the half truths and lies during the brexit campaigns. Has Demonic Cummings signature all over it. Somebody ought to start a new trend - honesty and integrity in politics. Not holding my breath though.
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