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Post by daveu on Nov 7, 2019 12:01:41 GMT
I think if you listen to the interview he clearly states that he would have ignored the fire brigade and left, he didn’t say anything about those that remained in the building or questioned why they remained, but I suppose it’s easy to hear what you want to hear Ignoring emergency service advice was, quote ‘the common sense thing to do’ - anyone who kept to the advice therefore didn’t have common sense. I'm no fan of JRM but this really is mountain out of molehill stuff. Easy to make anything sound bad if you take a single sentence out of the context of the surrounding interview. He was clearly referring to what his own reaction would have been and wasn't in any way casting aspersions on the victims.
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Post by shamstone on Nov 7, 2019 12:09:23 GMT
Oliver Cromwell would ban football and make everybody pray all day Play football and ban praying
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Post by Dan on Nov 7, 2019 12:12:52 GMT
I heard the whole interview when it was played live on LBC. He clearly stated that he would have used his common sense and ignored the advice of the fire brigade. The context was about the horrendous loss of life in resoect of people who remained in their homes. What he was implying about residents who died after following the advice of the fire brigade is blindingly obvious.
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Post by davec on Nov 7, 2019 12:23:44 GMT
Oliver Cromwell would ban football and make everybody pray all day Play football and ban praying Whatever he was a joyless miserable bastard anyway
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Post by malibustacey on Nov 7, 2019 12:25:23 GMT
Ignoring emergency service advice was, quote ‘the common sense thing to do’ - anyone who kept to the advice therefore didn’t have common sense. I'm no fan of JRM but this really is mountain out of molehill stuff. Easy to make anything sound bad if you take a single sentence out of the context of the surrounding interview. He was clearly referring to what his own reaction would have been and wasn't in any way casting aspersions on the victims. I agree - but we live in a world where Corbyn = Stalin so that’s how it is. Ignoring the emergency services is a weird one too which hasn’t really been picked up on. For example; Do we ignore police trying to move crowds because we know better?
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Post by 61666 on Nov 7, 2019 13:45:06 GMT
Or stewards or smoking advice or whatever. One comment recently about JRM was that as politicians only have their voice to make themselves known, they need to be careful how they use it. These are politically sensitive times and Grenfell is still an open sore for many. JRM should have known better and deserves no sympathy.
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Post by shamstone on Nov 7, 2019 14:37:07 GMT
Play football and ban praying Whatever he was a joyless miserable bastard anyway Who oldboy or Cromwell. Only kidding Cromwell. I mean oldboy
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Post by headstone on Nov 7, 2019 16:03:24 GMT
I blame Cromwell for the Brexit fiasco anyway. Didn't he ship the Protestants into Ulster to counteract the perceived Catholic threat? Without that there would have been no Northern Ireland, and we could have the border on the border (ie in the sea). Although I admit my knowledge of that subject is sketchy.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Nov 7, 2019 16:58:31 GMT
Whatever he was a joyless miserable bastard anyway Who oldboy or Cromwell. Only kidding Cromwell. I mean oldboy No that’s NWS. Only he has he ability to turn banter into essays and try to spoil other light hearted threads.
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Post by 61666 on Nov 7, 2019 16:58:35 GMT
Not quite, though the British have indeed populated northern Ireland with protestants at various times. However, some of the Scottish clans colonised the north as well, not least because the shortest crossing is only 20 odd miles. Theirs was mainly based on trade, but adding protestents was certainly political - a 'problem' for some, that we all have to live with to some extent.
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Post by gromley on Nov 8, 2019 1:06:00 GMT
I'm no fan of JRM but this really is mountain out of molehill stuff. Easy to make anything sound bad if you take a single sentence out of the context of the surrounding interview. He was clearly referring to what his own reaction would have been and wasn't in any way casting aspersions on the victims. I agree - but we live in a world where Corbyn = Stalin so that’s how it is. Ignoring the emergency services is a weird one too which hasn’t really been picked up on. For example; Do we ignore police trying to move crowds because we know better?YES - On occasions I have done so. And with the benefit of hindsight it would have been "common sense" for fans at Hillsborough to do so.
Mogg's choice of words was very clumsy and unfortunate, but I think that some of the outrage is somewhat 'faux'. And in his 'defence' I doubt he has ever set foot in a tower block.
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Post by 61666 on Nov 8, 2019 8:20:12 GMT
If he didn't realise this is already a very dirty campaign, he should by now. Tories from privileged backgrounds need to keep a rein on their tongues, when 'one nation' conservatism slogans are the norm, just as Labour will be pounced on at the merest whiff of anti-Semitism, or being profligate with borrowing. And quite right too. If these people want our votes, they need to come across as honest, or at least trustworthy. An election campaign is a five week job interview, or should be. 'Getting Brexit Done' should not be a soundbite to win an election, even though for too many voters that is all they want to hear. Pay attention out there and try to make an informed decision about who to vote for.
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Post by Nick on Nov 8, 2019 9:27:04 GMT
So when JRM states that he would have used his common sense in vacating Grenfell Tower despite contrary advice from the emergency services, it is deemed by his supporters that the words used are unfortunate or clumsy. What does it take for some people to smell the coffee ? The man is a buffoon. It is hard to imagine anybody less qualified to speak about the disaster. Rees-Moogg's privileged, over indulgent background and life style bears no relationship to the real lives of working people. His belief that applying common sense would have averted the tragedy of GT says everything about the man. But there are plenty of people around who will carry on doffing their caps and worshipping this vacuous excuse for a human being.
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Post by toonarmy on Nov 8, 2019 10:24:53 GMT
I think if you listen to the interview he clearly states that he would have ignored the fire brigade and left, he didn’t say anything about those that remained in the building or questioned why they remained, but I suppose it’s easy to hear what you want to hear Ignoring emergency service advice was, quote ‘the common sense thing to do’ - anyone who kept to the advice therefore didn’t have common sense. in his opinion, he didn't say those that adhered to the instruction were stupid or anything else, by the way I'm not a JRM fan I'm just fed up with how news can be distorted to suit a perceived point of view, what happened at Grenfell was a tragedy and hopefully it will never happen again, I am also annoyed that the enquiry concentrated on the emergency services first, it should have been the local council, the company who installed the cladding and also whoever signed it off as safe
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Post by toonarmy on Nov 8, 2019 10:25:56 GMT
Ignoring emergency service advice was, quote ‘the common sense thing to do’ - anyone who kept to the advice therefore didn’t have common sense. I'm no fan of JRM but this really is mountain out of molehill stuff. Easy to make anything sound bad if you take a single sentence out of the context of the surrounding interview. He was clearly referring to what his own reaction would have been and wasn't in any way casting aspersions on the victims. well said Dave, now that's something I didn't expect lol, us agreeing on something
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