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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 15, 2019 9:24:11 GMT
That's one interpretation. You could equally say our troubles started with Worgan's penalty save in the playoff final. The only certainty is that we struggled in the NL. The cause is open to interpretation, but you cannot definitively pin it on going full time Once you start calling Worgs' pen save a problem we might as well all pack up and go home. :-) Our troubles this year were caused, in order, by these top ten reasons, also kind of in order time wise as well:
1) Not supporting Jay better with a DoF to mentor him beyond where he had got stuck tactically 2) Having decided to get rid of Jay, not having a decent (John Still like) manager to replace a club legend 3) Going full time without having any understanding of how to run a pro team/club or live in the pro NL world 4) Hiring the Clown 5) Hiring the Wheeler Dealer 6) Allowing the Clown Wheeler Dealer to rip the heart out of the squad and the club in three short months, and his generally awful approach and attitude 7) As a result of 4), 5) and 6), having way too many players, keepers, and Managers with too many formations, tactics, approaches etc 8) Not having a Worgs to replace Worgs (Thank God for Lewington!) and playing rookie loanee keepers 9) Not having any decent goal scorers at NL level, and a c rap midfield 10) Not playing real football but being terrified of the ball, not keeping possession, using hoofball, kick and run, anything but play the game as it should be played.
Lets not forget the Wheeler factor in all of this - yes, we may have been on the ropes when Jay left, but HW ensured we were completely knocked out and flat on our backs with no way back, and in intensive care. I think we are still on the critical list until we get relegated, have our operation to overturn the squad, and start rehabilitation by having some semi-decent performances in NLS.
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Post by Nick on Mar 15, 2019 9:43:26 GMT
sometimes oldboy your posts contain more than a hint of negativity, pessimism and defeatism.
but this one 'takes the biscuit' - I think you have summed it all up pretty well !
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Post by rollingstone on Mar 15, 2019 9:47:36 GMT
Okay so nobody wants to see their team relegated, but compared to what we have endured in the past, we have faced a lot, lot worse.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 15, 2019 9:56:36 GMT
sometimes oldboy your posts contain more than a hint of negativity, pessimism and defeatism. but this one 'takes the biscuit' - I think you have summed it all up pretty well ! Thanks Nick (I think!) I see it more as realistic and insightful.
The positivity, optimism and (I don't know what the opposite of defeatism is - winningism?) will come when we start to win some games in NLS playing either half decent football and/or at least showing great passion and effort from players who love wearing the Black and Amber.
My optimism and positivity is that in JS we trust to make this happen through the end of season clearout.
Until then all we have to be positive about is maybe a point or two from odd NL games and maybe a great goal or two from young Jake between now and the end of the season.....................and winning the KSC!?!?1?
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Post by Tstone on Mar 15, 2019 12:08:52 GMT
sometimes oldboy your posts contain more than a hint of negativity, pessimism and defeatism. but this one 'takes the biscuit' - I think you have summed it all up pretty well ! It's been a while since "the biscuit" reared its head. Hob-nobs anyone?
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Post by jdl on Mar 15, 2019 12:20:05 GMT
You dont have to be Stephen Hawking to work out that our troubles started when we went full-time. We used to attract top semi-pro players who enjoyed their footie and a second income. Our full time wages are obviously not attracting the best talent. We got promoted before as a part time side (so did Sutton) so why not again? That's one interpretation. You could equally say our troubles started with Worgan's penalty save in the playoff final. The only certainty is that we struggled in the NL. The cause is open to interpretation, but you cannot definitively pin it on going full time Our first season, when we were still part-time and retained some of our old players, was our best in the NL, by far (14th finish - only GD from 12th - and the same points as Sutton). Our next two seasons ('full-time') were disasters by comparison. Not the full story, granted, but still strong evidence (and the only real evidence we have) to suggest that part-time was more successful as 'full-time' - or, at the very least, we gained nothing by going 'full-time'.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 15, 2019 13:19:05 GMT
That's one interpretation. You could equally say our troubles started with Worgan's penalty save in the playoff final. The only certainty is that we struggled in the NL. The cause is open to interpretation, but you cannot definitively pin it on going full time Our first season, when we were still part-time and retained some of our old players, was our best in the NL, by far (14th finish - only GD from 12th - and the same points as Sutton). Our next two seasons ('full-time') were disasters by comparison. Not the full story, granted, but still strong evidence (and the only real evidence we have) to suggest that part-time was more successful as 'full-time' - or, at the very least, we gained nothing by going 'full-time'. So does anyone know if the plan is to stay full time in NLS or not?
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Post by pieman1982 on Mar 15, 2019 13:47:51 GMT
In an interview with Casey late last season when we looked like going down he stated we would be full time regardless of which league we were in this season. As we know we stayed up. I assume it’s the same this year, however I suspect we have not only spent our entire budget on wages for players and managers but we may have also have spent the money set aside for the river side as well. I suspect John and HH will have their say, but either way I’m sure we will be waiting until we are religated before many things are revealed to the fans.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 15, 2019 14:28:11 GMT
In an interview with Casey late last season when we looked like going down he stated we would be full time regardless of which league we were in this season. As we know we stayed up. I assume it’s the same this year, however I suspect we have not only spent our entire budget on wages for players and managers but we may have also have spent the money set aside for the river side as well. I suspect John and HH will have their say, but either way I’m sure we will be waiting until we are religated before many things are revealed to the fans. Thanks pieman. I for one will be hoping the decision is to go back to part-time for us to get in players who want to play football and are grateful to play for us as it seems we only had that kind of commitment back before we went full-time from players who left us when that happened. However, if we are to stay full time in NLS that's a huge financial commitment and so I hope and pray that our Management are able to rebuild the squad with full time players with the zeal of part-timers!
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Post by Nick on Mar 15, 2019 14:50:47 GMT
So you really want part timers but if we are to have full timers then you want them to have the attitude of part timers. Personally I hope the owners are able to fund a squad of players who have a 100% commitment to the club without the massive distraction of holding down a full time job outside of football. Having said that I think Terry Casey has already hinted at a reduced playing budget next season. Going back to a part time playing staff would represent a change in direction and ambition. I'm hoping the owners aspirations for the club together with their financial commitment over the past 5 seasons will mean they have already set their sights on National League football from 20/21. Pretty sure that JS2 will have the same idea.
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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 15, 2019 14:55:47 GMT
So you really want part timers but if we are to have full timers then you want them to have the attitude of part timers. Personally I hope the owners are able to fund a squad of players who have a 100% commitment to the club without the massive distraction of holding down a full time job outside of football. Having said that I think Terry Casey has already hinted at a reduced playing budget next season. Going back to a part time playing staff would represent a change in direction and ambition. I'm hoping the owners aspirations for the club together with their financial commitment over the past 5 seasons will mean they have already set their sights on National League football from 20/21. Pretty sure that JS2 will have the same idea. Terry Casey has been a tad shy with his comments about next seasons budget, I think it,s a matter that fans should be made aware of before the season starts because if the ST prices remain the same an general admission stays at £15 then it will be quite strange why the budget has to drop drastically.
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Post by steveh21 on Mar 15, 2019 15:03:24 GMT
So you really want part timers but if we are to have full timers then you want them to have the attitude of part timers. Personally I hope the owners are able to fund a squad of players who have a 100% commitment to the club without the massive distraction of holding down a full time job outside of football. Having said that I think Terry Casey has already hinted at a reduced playing budget next season. Going back to a part time playing staff would represent a change in direction and ambition. I'm hoping the owners aspirations for the club together with their financial commitment over the past 5 seasons will mean they have already set their sights on National League football from 20/21. Pretty sure that JS2 will have the same idea. In any walk of life Nick if you want good full time workers you need to pay.. question is does the club have the money to be fulltime in a way that makes us competitive. Our current 'full time' budget would pay for some bloody good semi pro NLS players rather than loads of EFL u23s.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 15, 2019 16:16:47 GMT
So you really want part timers but if we are to have full timers then you want them to have the attitude of part timers. Personally I hope the owners are able to fund a squad of players who have a 100% commitment to the club without the massive distraction of holding down a full time job outside of football. Having said that I think Terry Casey has already hinted at a reduced playing budget next season. Going back to a part time playing staff would represent a change in direction and ambition. I'm hoping the owners aspirations for the club together with their financial commitment over the past 5 seasons will mean they have already set their sights on National League football from 20/21. Pretty sure that JS2 will have the same idea. In any walk of life Nick if you want good full time workers you need to pay.. question is does the club have the money to be fulltime in a way that makes us competitive. Our current 'full time' budget would pay for some bloody good semi pro NLS players rather than loads of EFL u23s. Great post. With probably expected restricted budgets next year give me some bloody good semi pro NLS players rather than loads of EFL u23s any day - we've tried the latter and it failed, and has made for terrible football viewing at JWW.
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