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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 13, 2019 20:55:57 GMT
Seriously struggling to warm to HH. He’s hardly inspiring which makes sense looking at how our team in general play. If I’m switching off listening to him god knows what it’s like to work with him!He seems very much a deflector of any blame, and I’ve seen nothing from him as a person to really make me believe he is capable of turning a team into a competitive outfit Thank god I thought it was just me, why dont he let one of the others talk to the media, he seems to come across very un-inspiring with his speechs.
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Post by wolvesstone on Mar 13, 2019 22:02:05 GMT
If HH (who we all thought looked like an electrified turnip on the sidelines flapping away during the Havant victory) has given up then it's time for all of us (owners included) to eat humble pie big time and bring back Jay. He is perfectly suited to NLS football. He has a few heroes already on his books who would be very welcome here. We could go back to part time. We could have a club that's making enough cash and providing excellent entertainment for all of us.
We want a settled side, with subs we know. We want someone who is going to develop the youth. We don't want the temporary loans, one-year contracts, and players who have no feeling for the club.
Bring back Jay. That's what I say.
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Post by pigbag on Mar 13, 2019 22:16:13 GMT
I would rather a manager who gives an honest assessment than one that gives us bullshit. We all know the team is not good enough for this league, our league position does not lie. The best a manager could say is that the team gave 100% but were beaten by a better team. Wolverstone have you forgotten Jay's post match comments when he lost 17 on the trot? How many times was his only comment "It was one of them?"
Just because Jay built a winning team does not mean he will do it again. John Still has a much better record of building winning teams and doing well in the higher leagues. If we are to remain full time professionals I would much rather have the present management. They should not be judged on the team they inherited but next year on the team they build.
The problem with a part time team next year is that if promoted they would have to turn full time or we would have to build a new team. This is the problem Jay had and the reason we lost the players who got us promoted.
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Post by Nick on Mar 13, 2019 22:31:49 GMT
I only said that I found HHs post match summaries to be depressing, not that they were full of shit. If John Still believes he is the man for the job as Head Coach, that is good enough for me. Next season is the real test for them. Bouncing back at the first attempt to the National League will be their goal.
In the meantime, these calls for Jay to come back to the club have become really boring. Firstly it's not going to happen. Secondly, the management team we have in situ have a proven record, way ahead of what Jay Saunders can possibly dream about. Maybe JS1 will achieve as much as JS2 over the next 20 years, but he has it all to prove and I wish him good luck.
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Post by wolvesstone on Mar 13, 2019 23:06:43 GMT
I'm sure they're an honest bunch, this new management team, but it seems that they will not succeed in their first task, keeping us up. As for bouncing back, I'm not so sure. Their only victory so far was against a fairly modest NL relegation side, and inspired by an excellent performance by Jack Powell (probably not one of their options next season). Tactics have been few and far between. Inspiration has been lacking. But I have an open mind.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 13, 2019 23:18:13 GMT
I'm sure they're an honest bunch, this new management team, but it seems that they will not succeed in their first task, keeping us up. As for bouncing back, I'm not so sure. Their only victory so far was against a fairly modest NL relegation side, and inspired by an excellent performance by Jack Powell (probably not one of their options next season). Tactics have been few and far between. Inspiration has been lacking. But I have an open mind. Are we really in a hurry to bounce straight back? Can we not just enjoy a couple of relatively pressure free season of football and get back to enjoying ourselves before we go back up and struggle all over again. I for one need some enjoyment out of it or whats the point, if i wanted to suffer every week i would walk 500 yards down the road and watch Tonbridge it would be a Damn site cheaper. Let's have some excitement for a while until the time is right to go back up and that will only be when everything is perfectly ready.
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Post by Raymondo316 on Mar 14, 2019 0:11:19 GMT
I'm sure they're an honest bunch, this new management team, but it seems that they will not succeed in their first task, keeping us up. As for bouncing back, I'm not so sure. Their only victory so far was against a fairly modest NL relegation side, and inspired by an excellent performance by Jack Powell (probably not one of their options next season). Tactics have been few and far between. Inspiration has been lacking. But I have an open mind. The damage was done way before Still & Hakan turned up. You could put Alex Ferguson, Pep Guardiola or Jurgan Klopp in charge and not even they could get anything out of this group of players.
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Post by Raymondo316 on Mar 14, 2019 0:34:37 GMT
If HH (who we all thought looked like an electrified turnip on the sidelines flapping away during the Havant victory) has given up then it's time for all of us (owners included) to eat humble pie big time and bring back Jay. He is perfectly suited to NLS football. He has a few heroes already on his books who would be very welcome here. We could go back to part time. We could have a club that's making enough cash and providing excellent entertainment for all of us. We want a settled side, with subs we know. We want someone who is going to develop the youth. We don't want the temporary loans, one-year contracts, and players who have no feeling for the club. Bring back Jay. That's what I say. What is the obsession this fanbase has with bringing back old players?? Mills would be the only one I'd have back & even then hes been playing against Ryman fodder for the last 2 seasons....hes likely picked up some bad habits which would be punished at National South level. Flisher's best days are long gone, Frannie did nothing for us when we was last at National South level, Browny has missed pretty much the whole season with a terrible injury so he might not even come back the same player, Rogers is another one who's had injury problems and his best days are long gone. As for you saying we don't want one year contracts, well that's pretty much what every non league club does!! two year deals ain't exactly worked out great for us this season have they?? Coker has done very little at Dartford so we are likely stuck with him. Finney was terrible this season, shipped out to Aldershot and now their fans are moaning how terrible hes been for them.
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Post by shamstone on Mar 14, 2019 5:58:27 GMT
If HH (who we all thought looked like an electrified turnip on the sidelines flapping away during the Havant victory) has given up then it's time for all of us (owners included) to eat humble pie big time and bring back Jay. He is perfectly suited to NLS football. He has a few heroes already on his books who would be very welcome here. We could go back to part time. We could have a club that's making enough cash and providing excellent entertainment for all of us. We want a settled side, with subs we know. We want someone who is going to develop the youth. We don't want the temporary loans, one-year contracts, and players who have no feeling for the club. Bring back Jay. That's what I say. What’s the obsession with Saunders. Have you forgot what his last 6 or so months were like. Have you forgot no plan B. Subs in the 80th minute, etc. Same excuses in post match interviews. Mullings and Quigley. We ain’t suddenly became shit. We were shit last year
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Post by sword65 on Mar 14, 2019 7:03:32 GMT
If HH (who we all thought looked like an electrified turnip on the sidelines flapping away during the Havant victory) has given up then it's time for all of us (owners included) to eat humble pie big time and bring back Jay. He is perfectly suited to NLS football. He has a few heroes already on his books who would be very welcome here. We could go back to part time. We could have a club that's making enough cash and providing excellent entertainment for all of us. We want a settled side, with subs we know. We want someone who is going to develop the youth. We don't want the temporary loans, one-year contracts, and players who have no feeling for the club. Bring back Jay. That's what I say. What’s the obsession with Saunders. Have you forgot what his last 6 or so months were like. Have you forgot no plan B. Subs in the 80th minute, etc. Same excuses in post match interviews. Mullings and Quigley. We ain’t suddenly became shit. We were shit last year Jay Saunders will return to manage this club again I am sure but not in the foreseeable future as he had got a lot more to learn yet,he was hopelessly out of his depth in the end but that experience will come with age. I cannot believe people are calling for his return before JS2 and HH have been given a fresh season to work with. Their hands were pretty much tied when they got here and have to work with what they were given but next year should be a different story. Please for the sake of this club give them a bit of time to undo and repair all the damage done by others.
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Post by pwoodstone on Mar 14, 2019 8:32:45 GMT
Jay back again. Are we back to this again? It was one of those it was one of those it was one of those.
Jay hopelessly out of his depth? Really? Surviving comfortably (relatively) on a small budget.
Some funny ideas from some funny people.
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Post by 61666 on Mar 14, 2019 8:50:36 GMT
Patience not a thing some supporters have in plenty, methinks. As others have said, there is no point in going back to former players, while after so many changes this year, we can only hope for something more stable next season. The issue of staying full time to gain immediate promotion is a bit of a poison chalice. Even in our three years in the NL, things have moved on and we haven't been able to keep up. Plus, the overall standard of football has become dull and predictable - at least when we are at home. We have been bad, but I honestly can't think of a single team that has played entertaining football to dull the pain of our own ineptitude. Get promoted next season and we are back to square one. Go part time again and get promoted gives the same problem, unless JS1 can build a team of exciting youngsters, plus a few old heads, that might just make the transition back to NL possible. Otherwise, big money for big wages for NL journeymen who - well, we know what that means. At the expense of annoying our fantastic away support, what we really need is some home form between now and the end of the season. Salford and Ebbsfleet apart, the other games look winnable - Aldershot, Braintree, Barnet - and finishing on a high at home carries important momentum into next season. There are still plenty of decent sides in the NLS who will be looking forward to playing in a nice stadium, in front of decent crowds and keen to put one over us. Maybe the ideal scenario is the build a team that makes the play offs, have a couple of decent cup runs (to put money in the bank to maintain full time the season after), then get promotion back to NL in 2020/21. By then, we might just be ready to join the big boys again?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 9:32:41 GMT
What’s the obsession with Saunders. Have you forgot what his last 6 or so months were like. Have you forgot no plan B. Subs in the 80th minute, etc. Same excuses in post match interviews. Mullings and Quigley. We ain’t suddenly became shit. We were shit last year Jay Saunders will return to manage this club again I am sure but not in the foreseeable future as he had got a lot more to learn yet,he was hopelessly out of his depth in the end but that experience will come with age. I cannot believe people are calling for his return before JS2 and HH have been given a fresh season to work with. Their hands were pretty much tied when they got here and have to work with what they were given but next year should be a different story. Please for the sake of this club give them a bit of time to undo and repair all the damage done by others. Despite being a local boy I'm not sure he would consider coming back unless the ownership changed as the parting wasn't exactly amicable. As others have said, his record in the last few months was very poor. Tactical naivety and poor signings, who were really bad even when taking the rather modest budget into account, were his undoing. Look, we go down, the current pair remain in charge and we'll be fine. We may not bounce straight back up because it's never that easy but I can see us back in the National within maybe 3 - 4 seasons. The challenge for everyone working at the club will be to create a stronger financial base from which to work with, when we do eventually get back to this level again. We all know our stadium isn't up to FL standards and that the money isn't there to make it so, in which case the directors need some breathing space anyway. When you drill down through the facts and look at it objectively, relegation won't actually change as much as you might think.
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Post by jdl on Mar 14, 2019 9:44:36 GMT
Expectations are our problem.
After 3 in 4, we thought we were the Bee's Goolies and could do anything, but the NL was a harsh wake up call.
The reality is that we are a top NS/bottome NL club (which most of us would have sold their grannies for a few years back).
We need a season or two back in non-league to enjoy our football and rebuild. Then back to the NL, with realistic expectations this time - survive, consolidate, improve gates, improve ground, and no daft EFL thoughts until we're really ready. (After our NL experience, does anyone really want to be in the EFL?!)
We've got massive potential, but it needs time to develop. Let's relax and enjoy the journey.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 10:18:31 GMT
Expectations are our problem. After 3 in 4, we thought we were the Bee's Goolies and could do anything, but the NL was a harsh wake up call. The reality is that we are a top NS/bottome NL club (which most of us would have sold their grannies for a few years back). We need a season or two back in non-league to enjoy our football and rebuild. Then back to the NL, with realistic expectations this time - survive, consolidate, improve gates, improve ground, and no daft EFL thoughts until we're really ready. (After our NL experience, does anyone really want to be in the EFL?!) We've got massive potential, but it needs time to develop. Let's relax and enjoy the journey. I would also assume that if the owners do have their sights on FL status as a target in the long term, some sensible, and sustainable adaptation to the current business model would be required involving serious 3rd party investment in some form. However, from a personal point of view I am conflicted, on the one hand I want the Stones to be successful, and climb the ladder as far as they can, and on the other, I prefer watching non-league football, and the sense of freedom that goes with it. For me, the season the Stones last won the Conference, was far more enjoyable then the next, the first season in the 4th division. Being trapped in an extremely small caged pen at one end of Cambridge United's ground, watching a leg of a League Cup 1st round match pretty much summed up League football for me.
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