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Post by jdl on Mar 1, 2019 22:27:35 GMT
As you might expect, our gates are down this season - by nearly 8%.
But it could have been worse - a lot worse.
For comparison, here's the rest of the NL:
Salford City 55.53 Harrogate Town 51.15 Havant & Waterlooville 50.11 Braintree Town 40.04 Solihull Moors 35.27 Boreham Wood 15.57 Leyton Orient 15.54 Wrexham 11.85 Barrow 7.79 Gateshead 0.47
Bromley -0.97 Dagenham & Redbridge -2.87 AFC Fylde -4.61 Ebbsfleet United -6.14 Maidstone United -7.71 Maidenhead United -8.2 FC Halifax -8.69 Hartlepool United -8.87 Eastleigh -9.85 Chesterfield -15.32 Sutton United -15.63 Dover Athletic -16.09 Aldershot Town -26.72 Barnet -39.33
Some strange results in there - Fylde, for instance, why down this season? Ditto Fleet, Eastleigh and Sutton - all having good seasons.
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Post by jdl on Mar 1, 2019 22:36:04 GMT
Incidentally, outside the NL it gets weirder. NFU, for instance, down to an average gate of just 369 last season, have had an increase of over 200% this season!
And Woking, doing so well on the NS, and seemingly on their way back up, have seen gates drop by almost 17%.
Edit - as Sword points out the NFU 'data' is bollocks - they're actually down by nearly 30% this year to 261.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 2, 2019 2:43:23 GMT
Incidentally, outside the NL it gets weirder. NFU, for instance, down to an average gate of just 369 last season, have had an increase of over 200% this season! And Woking, doing so well on the NS, and seemingly on their way back up, have seen gates drop by almost 17%. I am afraid I will have to dispute your figures dear boy. Providing NFU stands for North Ferriby United then they just do not add up. If indeed their average last season was 369 then an increase of 200% would put their average at 1107 and as an avid reader of the NLP who takes notice of attendances I can assure you that is nowhere near the case in fact I cannot remember the last time that they got over 400 if ever . Further research shows NFU as having played 17 home games amassing 4440 fans at an average of 261 so unless NFU stands for someone else that I cannot think of then your source of information doesn't have a clue what it's on about. Wokings attendance fall is easy ad the away following in NLS is abysmal compared to the NL.
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Post by Nick on Mar 2, 2019 11:54:55 GMT
Goes to show you can prove just about anything you like with statistics.
Here we are with Stones attendances 7.7% down on last season, so that's about 170 per match.
Given an average spend of up to £20 per person, it means the club's income is probably down around £40k compared to the 17/18 season
Bearing in mind the extra money now being spent on the playing budget, I'm guessing the accounts will be looking a good deal less healthy when published.
But we have had plenty of posts 'believing' that a successful season in National South will boost attendances and regenerate income.
Belief is one thing, cold facts are another. As sword 'kindly' demonstrates - Woking are down 17% despite doing really well.
No wonder the owners have hinted that we will be reducing the size of the playing budget for 19/20.
Relegation is not the panacea some supporters will have us believe.
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Post by pedant on Mar 2, 2019 12:27:10 GMT
Goes to show you can prove just about anything you like with statistics. Here we are with Stones attendances 7.7% down on last season, so that's about 170 per match. Given an average spend of up to £20 per person, it means the club's income is probably down around £40k compared to the 17/18 season Bearing in mind the extra money now being spent on the playing budget, I'm guessing the accounts will be looking a good deal less healthy when published. But we have had plenty of posts 'believing' that a successful season in National South will boost attendances and regenerate income. Belief is one thing, cold facts are another. As sword 'kindly' demonstrates - Woking are down 17% despite doing really well. No wonder the owners have hinted that we will be reducing the size of the playing budget for 19/20. Relegation is not the panacea some supporters will have us believe. Didn't Woking last season do some 'silly' priced season ticket offer which brought the punters in in large numbers? Believe they ended up having more season ticket holders last season than their average crowd for the season before.
If they didn't do the same deal this year then the crowd reduction will have been affected by that and can't all be put down to competing in NLS.
Don't recall anyone saying relegation is a panacea. Things might be a little less fraught though.
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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 2, 2019 15:40:30 GMT
It will be very interesting what the owners do this year in relation to next seasons prices for both the ST but also general admission. They might find themselves in a horrid situation would there be enough interest in season tickets for the NLS if there is not proof that we will have a large budget in which to get a good enough squad together to get back up to the NL or risk being stuck in the NLS with gates dropping as a result of it all. Interesting times ahead I do believe.
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Post by rollingstone on Mar 2, 2019 18:08:11 GMT
Look at our 2011/12 season, back in Ryman South, yet still charging Ryman Premier prices, ground sharing with a club in the same league, who were charging 20% less for admission then we were
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Post by jdl on Mar 3, 2019 0:04:06 GMT
Incidentally, outside the NL it gets weirder. NFU, for instance, down to an average gate of just 369 last season, have had an increase of over 200% this season! And Woking, doing so well on the NS, and seemingly on their way back up, have seen gates drop by almost 17%. I am afraid I will have to dispute your figures dear boy. Providing NFU stands for North Ferriby United then they just do not add up. If indeed their average last season was 369 then an increase of 200% would put their average at 1107 and as an avid reader of the NLP who takes notice of attendances I can assure you that is nowhere near the case in fact I cannot remember the last time that they got over 400 if ever . Further research shows NFU as having played 17 home games amassing 4440 fans at an average of 261 so unless NFU stands for someone else that I cannot think of then your source of information doesn't have a clue what it's on about. Wokings attendance fall is easy ad the away following in NLS is abysmal compared to the NL. Quite right, Sword. Should really have spotted that and checked - I was in a rush and assumed they'd got new owners or something. Their their attendance is actually 29% down!
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Post by sword65 on Mar 3, 2019 0:45:36 GMT
I am afraid I will have to dispute your figures dear boy. Providing NFU stands for North Ferriby United then they just do not add up. If indeed their average last season was 369 then an increase of 200% would put their average at 1107 and as an avid reader of the NLP who takes notice of attendances I can assure you that is nowhere near the case in fact I cannot remember the last time that they got over 400 if ever . Further research shows NFU as having played 17 home games amassing 4440 fans at an average of 261 so unless NFU stands for someone else that I cannot think of then your source of information doesn't have a clue what it's on about. Wokings attendance fall is easy ad the away following in NLS is abysmal compared to the NL. Quite right, Sword. Should really have spotted that and checked - I was in a rush and assumed they'd got new owners or something. Their their attendance is actually 29% down! They do actually have new owners and the BASTARDS are moving North Ferriby Utd miles away and want to change there name to East Hull United. The death of the villagers has yet to be sanctioned by the FA but it seems it is only a matter of time.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Mar 3, 2019 7:36:13 GMT
As you might expect, our gates are down this season - by nearly 8%. But it could have been worse - a lot worse. For comparison, here's the rest of the NL: Salford City 55.53 Harrogate Town 51.15 Havant & Waterlooville 50.11 Braintree Town 40.04 Solihull Moors 35.27 Boreham Wood 15.57 Leyton Orient 15.54 Wrexham 11.85 Barrow 7.79 Gateshead 0.47 Bromley -0.97 Dagenham & Redbridge -2.87 AFC Fylde -4.61 Ebbsfleet United -6.14 Maidstone United -7.71 Maidenhead United -8.2 FC Halifax -8.69 Hartlepool United -8.87 Eastleigh -9.85 Chesterfield -15.32 Sutton United -15.63 Dover Athletic -16.09 Aldershot Town -26.72 Barnet -39.33 Some strange results in there - Fylde, for instance, why down this season? Ditto Fleet, Eastleigh and Sutton - all having good seasons. It's the economy stupid.
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Post by Bernie on Oct 13, 2019 11:16:31 GMT
So, on non league day, over 2900 in the rain at Dulwich, 425 at Chatham and above average numbers at many clubs. With attendances down this season, should we be thinking of imaginative ways of getting new fans into a half empty Gallagher stadium? Any ideas that wouldn't cost the club much money? Discounts on drink? Leaflet drops around town? Invite whole schools or workplaces?
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Post by shamstone on Oct 13, 2019 14:11:10 GMT
So, on non league day, over 2900 in the rain at Dulwich, 425 at Chatham and above average numbers at many clubs. With attendances down this season, should we be thinking of imaginative ways of getting new fans into a half empty Gallagher stadium? Any ideas that wouldn't cost the club much money? Discounts on drink? Leaflet drops around town? Invite whole schools or workplaces? Just a bit of loyalty
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Post by jakeyboi on Oct 13, 2019 14:57:01 GMT
So, on non league day, over 2900 in the rain at Dulwich, 425 at Chatham and above average numbers at many clubs. With attendances down this season, should we be thinking of imaginative ways of getting new fans into a half empty Gallagher stadium? Any ideas that wouldn't cost the club much money? Discounts on drink? Leaflet drops around town? Invite whole schools or workplaces? Dont think it would be wise to invite whole schools along but why not follow other league clubs an do things like reduced or even free kids with every full priced paying adult. reduced rates for mid week games during the winter when gates are going to be low any way, personally I think the club have become a tad on the expensive price for those who have 2-3 kids by the time you pay to get in maybe a bite to eat an drink it adds up to a costly afternoon out.
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Post by hammerstone on Oct 13, 2019 17:16:45 GMT
So, on non league day, over 2900 in the rain at Dulwich, 425 at Chatham and above average numbers at many clubs. With attendances down this season, should we be thinking of imaginative ways of getting new fans into a half empty Gallagher stadium? Any ideas that wouldn't cost the club much money? Discounts on drink? Leaflet drops around town? Invite whole schools or workplaces? I think the little cluster of 3 games for a reduced price kinda thing would be good, IE £40 instead of the £45 if you got them individually. That way, people will be inclined to go for the 3 games as they are “tied in” and think they are getting a deal and obviously the numbers increase. Perhaps a kids free with a paying adult day might be good. Captivate a few of the younger audiences to build for the future
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Post by yorkshirestone on Oct 17, 2019 11:29:08 GMT
Does the club have a grassroots scheme with local junior sides? Leeds (obviously much bigger) put up a block of 945 seats for every home game which are issued to a few kids football clubs. Not an income generator in itself, but a neat way of growing the next generation of (paying) supporters.
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